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    You spend most of your life saying stuff like this, don't you? It's just a big ol' confusing world.
    I'll ask it to you. What are you babbling about, goofball?

    Let me ask you this: If opposing defenses have been sagging and clogging the lane... wouldn't that make things easier for Forbes, who lives out on the perimeter?
    Maybe you can speak to the OP about that. You're lost again.

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    Lol. The dip literally said LA's style of play made it harder on everyone else in the floor.
    No he didn't. He only recited the same "spacing" cliche everybody has heard a thousand times. It's a total yawn.

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    the nerve

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    The post-game isn't any more antiquated than other forms of iso plays. The ability to force mismatches and make teams play bigger will always have value. The issue is getting better position and making quicker decisions. Can't get the ball 20 feet from the basket and then take 12 seconds to shoot a fadeaway or make a bad pass because you didn't see the help or your teammates did not move correctly without the ball.
    Sorry, but post possessions, even with mismatches do not yield efficient offensive production. It puts an extreme amount of pressure on your offense to get good numbers when posting up is a big part of it. It won't force teams to play bigger because you cannot punish average teams for playing small like you could in the 90s.

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    Sorry, but post possessions, even with mismatches do not yield efficient offensive production. It puts an extreme amount of pressure on your offense to get good numbers when posting up is a big part of it. It won't force teams to play bigger because you cannot punish average teams for playing small like you could in the 90s.
    Of course you can't. What you can't do is run a stagnant offense where you force isos in the post. The "beautiful game" offense was still initiated in the post because if you can get a big with deep position the ball it's going to be better than most other shots. It's likely thinking that midrange shots are dead because teams normally try to shoot threes. No, you still need to be able to shoot them because the threat of them is what makes iso games work. Most good offenses will run post plays as a normal part of what they do. Maybe Houston won't, but their scheme is overbred bull that constantly falls apart in the playoffs.

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    No. Bryn's man can guard him even tighter because he knows Forbes can't drive into a clogged paint. If the defender knew he didn't have backup at the rim, he'd have to also play Forbes for the drive, and that would mean a less aggressive closeout and more time for Bryn to get a clean look.

    LOL. I can't believe you even said that, Chinook. First of all, every team in the league knows that Bryn will cough the ball up under any kind of ball pressure. They already know he can't drive the paint. Second, the big majority of Bryn's shots come off ball movement. Those guys aren't standing out closely guarding Forbes on the weak side. Maybe if he hits a few early they will, but mostly they're running out to him. And they can charge him hard on the perimeter, specifically because he's not much of a threat to blow past and take it to the rim.

    The point was Bryn commenting about Aldridge shooting the 3, instead of clogging the paint. That benefits DDR, but it doesn't do a of a lot for Forbes. And RC_D was right, it was a swipe at Aldridge - especially coming from Bryn's mouth.


    And before you argue about Forbes' shots (you always do), he shoots 68% of his shots either open or wide open. He shoots 64% of his shots within 2 seconds of touching the ball. And until last night, all of that was with Aldridge causing the paint to be clogged. They aren't standing out closely guarding him - they just aren't.

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    Of course you can't. What you can't do is run a stagnant offense where you force isos in the post. The "beautiful game" offense was still initiated in the post because if you can get a big with deep position the ball it's going to be better than most other shots.

    And there's the real problem. Aldridge either can't or won't get deep position for . I don't know if I've ever seen him re-post closer to the basket. Tim got in and rooted for position. Aldridge is soft, or lazy, or both.

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    And there's the real problem. Aldridge either can't or won't get deep position for . I don't know if I've ever seen him re-post closer to the basket. Tim got in and rooted for position. Aldridge is soft, or lazy, or both.
    Tim has a million times more ability in the post than LMA has. LMA is like a mid-range Dirk.

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    Forbes throwing Aldridge under the bus

    Imagine somebody saying "now with Walker starting people can't just shoot over or drive past him , we don't have to help off his man and don't leave 3-point shooters wide open anymore. He can also get to the rim without getting blocked"
    Lma is the reason you think forbes cant defend. When lma attempts to pick up a perimeter players man after a switch, he just sinks into the circle. No hedge, no stop ball, nothing

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    Lma has nothing to do with Forbes sucking on d

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    Lma has nothing to do with Forbes sucking on d
    He does. And it's sad you dont know why.

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    Lma has nothing to do with Forbes sucking on d

    Agree. The likes of Bryn and Marco are always a good step behind when defending. Makes its almost impossible for a big to hedge and if you did , you would be taking a gamble.

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    Of course you can't. What you can't do is run a stagnant offense where you force isos in the post. The "beautiful game" offense was still initiated in the post because if you can get a big with deep position the ball it's going to be better than most other shots. It's likely thinking that midrange shots are dead because teams normally try to shoot threes. No, you still need to be able to shoot them because the threat of them is what makes iso games work. Most good offenses will run post plays as a normal part of what they do. Maybe Houston won't, but their scheme is overbred bull that constantly falls apart in the playoffs.
    NBA fans are too dumb to notice this. They see scores they like it. The end.

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    lma PUNISHING smaller guys on the block...yeh that turn around jumpshot against midgets, yet still clanks them of the rim...fkn scrub

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    Spurs fans: "LMA and DD need to shoot more threes so the other teams don't sag off and clog the lane for everyone else!"

    Bryn Forbes: "Now teams have to guard him all the way to the 3-point line instead of sagging off, clogging the lane and giving less space for everyone else."

    Spurs fans:

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    Sorry, but post possessions, even with mismatches do not yield efficient offensive production. It puts an extreme amount of pressure on your offense to get good numbers when posting up is a big part of it. It won't force teams to play bigger because you cannot punish average teams for playing small like you could in the 90s.
    The Lakers are the number one team in the West, and first in the NBA in post ups. They are 22nd in 3PA, and 19th in 3G%. They are 4th in Ortg.

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    Bryn wants more of Lonnie. Since he the only one capable of taking advantage of all this space in the keyway. Bryn the floor spacer don't have the tools unfortunately

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    The Lakers are the number one team in the West, and first in the NBA in post ups. They are 22nd in 3PA, and 19th in 3G%. They are 4th in Ortg.
    They have Anthony Davis. There are literally 4 or 5 big guys in the league worth posting up. LMA is not one of them. This is not even slightly controversial outside of popovich land

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    They have Anthony Davis. There are literally 4 or 5 big guys in the league worth posting up. LMA is not one of them. This is not even slightly controversial outside of popovich land
    LMA is probably in the top 3, since most teams have abandoned the post up.

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    His frequency of post ups is absurdly high. His points per possession .91 is not good.

    In comparison, Marco's PPP on spot ups is higher than LMA in the post

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    I couldn’t even read the responses cause I got sleepy just reading that long ass le

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    Spurs fans: "LMA and DD need to shoot more threes so the other teams don't sag off and clog the lane for everyone else!"

    Bryn Forbes: "Now teams have to guard him all the way to the 3-point line instead of sagging off, clogging the lane and giving less space for everyone else."

    Spurs fans:

    lol this tbh

    Forbes quote is only encouraging tbh

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    He should be shooting 10 3s/game like KAT if he's open. Pull the opposing Centre away from the hoop to open lanes for the guards, while still getting more points per shot than mid range jumpers.

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    I wouldn't be shocking. What changed Bucks dynamic was Brook Lopez taking and makings 3's in 2018/19 regular season.

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    His frequency of post ups is absurdly high. His points per possession .91 is not good. ...
    Show your work.

    565 ÷ 447 = 1.27

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