Dallas Church Shooting

[spurraider21]

lol non answer
lol lawyer can't spell assess

lol spelling smack

[DMC]

it would be very difficult to asses on a case by case basis if particular laws would or would not have prevented it.

I am talking about this particular case. If you're going to fall back on gun control legislation, have something prepared instead of "difficult to assess".

its quite likely that they wouldn't actually have an impact in this particular scenario.

Unfortunately the public has to prepare for and address each scenario as it unfolds. No one gets to lay all the data out on a table and decide in the moment how to address it.

its like looking at increased hurricane tendencies due to climate change. its pretty difficult to point to a specific hurricane and say "a ha. this one is because of global warming." but you can look at trends and see who the overarching culprit is

So you don't ing know. You just wanted to nay say. This kind of is part of the problem - too many post hoc know-it-all types with no answers when actually cornered.

The problem was resolved by man with a gun who knew he had to made a decision. Unlike you, he didn't get to sort through all the possible narratives and talking points. He just acted.

[ChumpDumper]

DMC accusing someone else of being a know-it-all

[spurraider21]

I am talking about this particular case. If you're going to fall back on gun control legislation, have something prepared instead of "difficult to assess".

Unfortunately the public has to prepare for and address each scenario as it unfolds. No one gets to lay all the data out on a table and decide in the moment how to address it.


So you don't ing know. You just wanted to nay say. This kind of is part of the problem - too many post hoc know-it-all types with no answers when actually cornered.

i dont know the specifics of how this guy acquired his guns. i dont know his mental health history, or any other red flags which could have triggered some activity. its impossible to know in every specific car accident fatality if a seat belt definitively would or would not have saved a life. but we know that they tend to.

you're seeking a complete answer when we are dealing with incomplete information

[DMC]

DerpMC celebrating a church murder.

Can't say I'm surprised at this point.

Derp and DerpMC high fiving the church murders.

DMC resorts to his made up narratives after crowing about a church murder. You're expressing your satisfaction that people were murdered in a church. My pointing that out really pisses you off. Tough , tough guy.

DMC had to create a narrative for the murderer too.

DMC might as well blame video games too.

Derp feeling his oats after a weekend training with his well regulated militia.

3rd person shtick in full swing.

Chumpdumper triggered.

[ChumpDumper]

3rd person shtick in full swing.

Chumpdumper triggered.

And you immediately adapt the shtick.

And you're finding me very interesting today.

DMC

[ElNono]

I would argue that once the facts are known, it’s actually not that difficult to come up with actionable(s) that would’ve likely prevented scenarios like this one. Gun fellators, as boutons would call them, would likely object, even if it doesn’t involve losing ownership and possession of their gun(s) (provided they display the mental capacity for that to happen).

[DMC]

no. i would agree that armed folks would provide better security than unarmed folks in the event that a shooting was underway. the absurdity is being complacent with laws and the environment which make it too easy for these shootings to happen in the first place.

as elnono said, its absurd that we've reached a point where even churches need armed security

i dont know the specifics of how this guy acquired his guns. i dont know his mental health history, or any other red flags which could have triggered some activity. its impossible to know in every specific car accident fatality if a seat belt definitively would or would not have saved a life. but we know that they tend to.

you're seeking a complete answer when we are dealing with incomplete information

I am only asking you to give an example to support your comment about gun control and environment that you made in this thread.

Do you think the individual who shot the attacker had all this "incomplete information"? Do you think anyone will in the future before making the decision to be armed? If not, what do you expect individuals to do besides wring their hands and cry like you did in your post above about the state of society?

[spurraider21]

I am only asking you to give an example to support your comment about gun control and environment that you made in this thread.

Do you think the individual who shot the attacker had all this "incomplete information"? Do you think anyone will in the future before making the decision to be armed? If not, what do you expect individuals to do besides wring their hands and cry like you did in your post above about the state of society?

no i dont think discussing regulation and legislation is an effective strategy mid shooting

is that really your ace in the hole?

you are content with the outcome where only 2 innocent people were killed. i'd strive for better. hard to know exactly what would have helped here when dealing with incomplete info

[DMC]

I would argue that once the facts are known, it’s actually not that difficult to come up with actionable(s) that would’ve likely prevented scenarios like this one. Gun fellators, as boutons would call them, would likely object, even if it doesn’t involve losing ownership and possession of their gun(s) (provided they display the mental capacity for that to happen).

These kinds of solutions almost always require people to obey laws. The long game of firearm owner atrophy doesn't address the acute issues.

[DMC]

no i dont think discussing regulation and legislation is an effective strategy mid shooting

is that really your ace in the hole?

you are content with the outcome where only 2 innocent people were killed. i'd strive for better. hard to know exactly what would have helped here when dealing with incomplete info

You're not considering the improvement over 45 people killed, and looking past the reason that number was so low to begin with in your hunt for "something better" i.e. no solutions.

[ChumpDumper]

You're not considering the improvement over 45 people killed, and looking past the reason that number was so low to begin with in your hunt for "something better" i.e. no solutions.

Why should we consider your made up narrative?

Oh , the question will trigger you.

We shouldn't consider your made up narrative.

[ElNono]

These kinds of solutions almost always require people to obey laws. The long game of firearm owner atrophy doesn't address the acute issues.

Enforcement is part of every law. It’s part of our pact as a society. Heck, if the NRA thought regulation wouldn’t have such a bite, they wouldn’t spend the amount of money they spend on lobbying.

[Chris]

"I'd strive for better"

(not going to explain how ie:vague virtue signaling)

[DMC]

Enforcement is part of every law. It’s part of our pact as a society. Heck, if the NRA didn’t think regulation wouldn’t have such a bite, they wouldn’t spend the amount of money they spend on lobbying.

The NRA isn't about gun control. Laws affect law abiding people. The NRA's membership list is full of law abiding people. Of course they are interested in protecting the 2nd Amendment rights of those people.

The issue is about wanting to kill a lot of people. It's futile to think you can change people's mindsets short term. It's not futile to think you can mitigate the damage these people do, and in turn make the would-be types reconsider their soft targets. I doubt many of these shooters would walk into an area and open fire if they knew they'd likely be killed after the 1st or 2nd shot.

[Chris]

just need more gun laws and we can strive for better

[ChumpDumper]

The NRA isn't about gun control. Laws affect law abiding people. The NRA's membership list is full of law abiding people. Of course they are interested in protecting the 2nd Amendment rights of those people.

The issue is about wanting to kill a lot of people. It's futile to think you can change people's mindsets short term. It's not futile to think you can mitigate the damage these people do, and in turn make the would-be types reconsider their soft targets. I doubt many of these shooters would walk into an area and open fire if they knew they'd likely be killed after the 1st or 2nd shot.

Suicidal people are more often now suicidal with a cause. I wish media would simply not report on these things beyond the fact that they happened. The 24/7 coverage makes the perps out to be cult heroes to those who might consider this as a viable exit strategy to life.

Suicidal or out to kill 45 people?

Pick a narrative lane.

[ChumpDumper]

just need more gun laws and we can strive for better

lol white guys

[Chris]

interesting data from a non-partisan professor of criminology

[Chris]

lol white guys

lol racist

[Spurminator]

I doubt many of these shooters would walk into an area and open fire if they knew they'd likely be killed after the 1st or 2nd shot.

This is exactly why many of them do this. You think they're expecting to escape? It's suicide with collateral damage.

[Chris]

[ChumpDumper]

interesting data from a non-partisan professor of criminology

It's odd to say that guns are not more available now. The number of guns in the US used to be lower than number of people. Now there are more guns than people.

I agree there are several factors and probably more important ones, but that guy is lying to himself and you.

[spurraider21]

[DMC]

lol non answer
lol lawyer can't spell assess

It's a simple typo. Philo is one of the more level headed people on the forum. I give him because he likes to argue.