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  1. #101
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    Good guys with guns kill bad guy with gun. Amazing what arming the victims does for the outcome.
    Not really amazing, merely the likely result of having so many guns. Eventually someone will try a mass shooting in a place where there are armed people, and this will be the result, i.e. fewer casualties.

    Does this mean that having more guns everywhere will make us safer?

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    Prager U?

    worse than Fox's opinionators.

    haven't we trashed that enough?

    "Mass public shootings have been increasing every decade since the 1950s." evidence?

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    This is exactly why many of them do this. You think they're expecting to escape? It's suicide with collateral damage.
    Why pick soft targets like churches and schools? If they wanted to be shot, they can simply find a police officer and point the weapon at them. I cannot mitigate suicide, I can only mitigate the collateral damage. That's all I am really concerned about. I think adults have the right to kill themselves.

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    Not really amazing, merely the likely result of having so many guns. Eventually someone will try a mass shooting in a place where there are armed people, and this will be the result, i.e. fewer casualties.

    Does this mean that having more guns everywhere will make us safer?
    When you decide to stop pretending these shooters aren't intentionally finding soft targets, maybe something you say will make sense. He didn't roll the dice and come up with a church.

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    Why pick soft targets like churches and schools?
    Why not? I'm sure you can make up a narrative-- excuse me, more narrative for this guy.

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    It's a simple typo. Philo is one of the more level headed people on the forum. I give him because he likes to argue.
    he's just another troll

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    he's just another troll
    I don't think so. He has invested too much into his persona here to simply be a troll. Everyone here likes to troll some.

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    It's an analogy of someone's faulty reasoning, simpleton.
    Your usual argument is "why have gun regulation if people are gonna kill any way"

    "Why have seat belt regulation if people die in car wrecks with seat belts on any way".

    Not my fault you yourself.

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    he's just another troll
    Lol anyone who hurts your feelings is a troll

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    Your usual argument is "why have gun regulation if people are gonna kill any way"
    Give me an example of me using that argument.
    "Why have seat belt regulation if people die in car wrecks with seat belts on any way".

    Not my fault you yourself.
    You started with a faulty premise and so you drew a faulty conclusion. If 2 deaths are the same as 45 deaths, if only zero deaths is progress, then seatbelts are worthless.

    You try desperately to get into the conversation but you're not informed enough to do so. Stay on the sidelines biting ankles, Blake. It suits you.

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    Why pick soft targets like churches and schools? If they wanted to be shot, they can simply find a police officer and point the weapon at them. I cannot mitigate suicide, I can only mitigate the collateral damage. That's all I am really concerned about. I think adults have the right to kill themselves.
    If the point is maximizing collateral damage before your death, of course you pick a soft target. My point is it's not like they expect to go back home afterward and never get caught. The ers probably fantasize about hitting multiple places first.

    Given this guy's history it shouldn't be difficult to find holes in the process that lead to his owning or acquiring a gun. Blanket statements like "more gun control won't help" avoid discussion of specific gun control tactics that might. Same goes for blanket "we need fewer guns."

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    If the shooter didn't think anyone in a White Settlement church would be packing....

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    If the shooter didn't think anyone in a White Settlement church would be packing....


    This is actually an astute statement not having anything to do with the name of the town.

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    - Shooter had a criminal record
    - It was illegal for him to own the gun he used
    - Good guy with a gun stopped the shooter in less than 3 seconds
    - 7 others emerged in congregation with guns shortly after
    - Gun Control didn't work
    - Good guys with guns did

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    - Shooter had a criminal record
    - It was illegal for him to own the gun he used
    - Good guy with a gun stopped the shooter in less than 3 seconds
    - 7 others emerged in congregation with guns shortly after
    - Gun Control didn't work
    - Good guys with guns did
    How did he get the gun, Chris

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    Give me an example of me using that argument.
    Oh ok. You never cry when there are talks of passing more gun legislation. I'll rescind the remark.

    You started with a faulty premise and so you drew a faulty conclusion. If 2 deaths are the same as 45 deaths, if only zero deaths is progress, then seatbelts are worthless.

    You try desperately to get into the conversation but you're not informed enough to do so. Stay on the sidelines biting ankles, Blake. It suits you.
    How did this dude get the gun

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    - Shooter had a criminal record
    - It was illegal for him to own the gun he used
    - Good guy with a gun stopped the shooter in less than 3 seconds
    - 7 others emerged in congregation with guns shortly after
    - Gun Control didn't work
    - Good guys with guns did
    I mean he probably did save some lives but I wonder what would have happened if the guy had an AR 15 instead of a shotgun. Could have been the wild west in there.

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    How did he get the gun, Chris
    he bought it at the NRA warehouse

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    I mean he probably did save some lives but I wonder what would have happened if the guy had an AR 15 instead of a shotgun. Could have been the wild west in there.
    Imagine if he just bombed the church. Could have been Hiroshima in there.

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    Imagine if he just bombed the church. Could have been Hiroshima in there.
    That's not really like what I said at all.

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    That's not really like what I said at all.
    Oh sorry, what were you saying?

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    Oh sorry, what were you saying?
    here?

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    Given this guy's history it shouldn't be difficult to find holes in the process that lead to his owning or acquiring a gun. Blanket statements like "more gun control won't help" avoid discussion of specific gun control tactics that might.
    - Gun Control didn't work
    Right on cue.

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    97.8% of public mass shootings since 1950 have occurred in gun-free zones

    Less than 20% of gun crimes are committed by law-abiding gun owners

    From '07-'15 overall murder rates fell by 18% while the percentage of concealed carry permits increased by 190%

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    he bought it at the NRA warehouse
    Chris in flight mode

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