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    Kori browses her own forum and now it's your new conspiracy theory.
    Does it bother you that your Chumpette is a snitch?

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    Does it bother you that your Chumpette is a snitch?
    Tell us your conspiracy theory.

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    Tell us your conspiracy theory.
    Does it bother you that your Chumpette is a snitch?

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    Does it bother you that your Chumpette is a snitch?
    Tell us how he snitched in your latest conspiracy theory.

    Or fold.

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    Tell us how he snitched in your latest conspiracy theory.

    Or fold.
    He folds, but I bet he's got a great deflection coming up!

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    He folds, but I bet he's got a great deflection coming up!
    It's hilarious how quickly he throws himself under the bus.

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    Tell us how he snitched in your latest conspiracy theory.

    Or fold.
    You denying that your friend is a snitch?

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    You denying that your friend is a snitch?
    You didn't tell us how he "snitched". You fold.

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    You didn't tell us how he "snitched". You fold.
    Keep doing your Chump impressions, ABX7.

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    Keep doing your Chump impressions, ABX7.
    Fold and deflect. Fold and deflect. It's your thing.

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    Fold and deflect. Fold and deflect. It's your thing.
    I'm not deflecting from the fact that a snitch is in your ranks.

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    So what do you suggest, RG? Requests for more military spending will meet with resistance.
    We don't really need more military spending. The issue is one of manpower, staffing, and the pace of operations.

    More money may provide some mitigation of the problems by providing a boost to recruitment, but that is not going to be sufficient to solve the problem, which is systemic and cultural, as noted in the articles.

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    $700B / year

    The totally corrupt MIC/military gets every billion that it wants and asks for

    Ain't Obama's fault

    America can't do anymore
    It is quite Obama's fault. The pushing of missions when there was not sufficient manpower, such as sending ships out at 80% strength, thereby overworking and undertraining them to the point of catastrophic and fatal accidents. Here we have essentially the exact same causes playing out in two different branches of the military. This was fully present and obvious in the Obama administration, and has gotten worse under the Trump administration.

    Trump's administration is too corrupt and alarmingly incompetent to solve this problem. as noted in the OP article, his bizarre and hapless kowtowing to the North Korean dictatorship has made the problem of readiness even worse.

    Obama definitely deserves blame for not solving the problem under his watch. Call a strike a strike man.

    Trump will fully be to blame by the exact same token.

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    Not the fault of Obama only - 'tis the nature of anything government-run - bloated, wasteful and inefficient - that's what you get when you're spending other people's money and not your own.
    Smh. The world through conservative-colored glasses.

    Would you like some wine with that confirmation bias?

    In all due seriousness, if this is your take, you probably didn't really read through either article. For me your statement here simply shows how comically inept and out of touch with reality modern conservatives are. You either didn't read the article (ignorance), or read it but couldn't see past your own confirmation bias (faulty critical thinking). If you can't even understand how the problem is playing out in reality, you will have a much smaller chance of actually addressing it.

    If you think I am being overly critical here, draw the line between the following two questions:

    What specifically do the articles say is the problem, and how does that directly and explicitly support your statement here?

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    Should just retire about half of the military, both equipment and personnel.

    Don’t want ships sinking in the coast of Japan? Stop being the world police and don’t send ships there.
    The United States, for better or worse has shouldered that burden. It provides us with a great deal of soft power.

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    We spend gazillions in the greatest airplanes that can’t flight and the military doesn’t want. Military contractors cash in while vets end up living on foodstamps. That too is part of the welfare state.
    Indeed.

    We have been using contractors as proxy ground troops entirely too much. It hides the true costs of our engagements, and inflates those costs behind the scenes with the addition of profit motive.

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    I heard Rob O'Neill give a speech about the situation in Afghanistan, how it looked like a win until big, old government decided they wanted to turn towns into bases. This is old, decrepit thinking and it has infected the Pentagon for decades. Air superiority is a WWII concept. When has the US ever needed air superiority since WWII? Who are we going to dogfight against? I get being prepared for it, but there are more pressing military needs that could use that funding. Spending a trillion dollars to try to rebuild an entire country we cannot get any return on. It doesn't make any fiscal sense. If we could spend that here, we'd set this country up for the future instead of watching decay around us while high end aircraft fly useless sorties over air bases around the world.
    concept:
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    Book:
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    lecture:
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    FWIW.

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    This. Bankrupting the country with a trillion dollars a year of defense spending has been a position both parties and the mainstream media have had for decades. The minute a candidate like Ron Paul or Tulsi runs on a platform of drastically reduced military spending he/she gets ostracized.
    Depends.

    What countries would step into the security vacuum left by a drastically reduced US military?

    Gabbard is looking more and more like a paid-for manchurian candidate whose only real platform seems to be directed from somewhere else...

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    Did you read about the new hypersonic stuff from Russia? I’m not even sure we still have air superiority.

    On the other hand, it’s not unexpected. We got fat and lazy after the Cold War, looking for trouble to keep feeding the monster.
    Russian hypersonic weapons are not as operational as many seem to think, and the Russian government claims. Russia can ill-afford another arms race, so I find their pushing the technology kind of self-defeating.

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    Gabbard is looking more and more like a paid-for manchurian candidate whose only real platform seems to be directed from somewhere else...
    she's 2020's Jill Stein

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    she's 2020's Jill Stein
    (nods) I think we are going to have to put some serious effort into finding out just how much Russian money is flowing and to where.

    The current administration and Trump party will not go along with that, but it will need to be done as soon as Democrats take back the executive branch.

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    The United States, for better or worse has shouldered that burden. It provides us with a great deal of soft power.
    It doesn’t add up. We projected same or more power for 1/4th of the cost 50 years ago. At an average 3% inflation rate, it would take ~125 years to match up what we spend now. Not to mention that military heavily tilted to technology now, which actually gets cheaper, not more expensive over time.

    Times have changed too. This is not WWII or the Cold War anymore. Our deterring factor is obviously fairly greatly curtailed, considering advances by NK, Russia, and the turmoil in the Middle East.

    So our ROI has greatly diminished over time. Time to back up and see where we’re spending our money.

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    It doesn’t add up. We projected same or more power for 1/4th of the cost 50 years ago. At an average 3% inflation rate, it would take ~125 years to match up what we spend now. Not to mention that military heavily tilted to technology now, which actually gets cheaper, not more expensive over time.

    Times have changed too. This is not WWII or the Cold War anymore. Our deterring factor is obviously fairly greatly curtailed, considering advances by NK, Russia, and the turmoil in the Middle East.

    So our ROI has greatly diminished over time. Time to back up and see where we’re spending our money.
    This is something the SASC is constantly in charge of doing, but they are swayed by special interest groups. We won't see any shift in policy as long as politicians keep getting rich from government jobs. As long as the committee focuses on keeping jobs in their sectors instead of what's best for the country we'll keep having these issues.
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    It doesn’t add up. We projected same or more power for 1/4th of the cost 50 years ago. At an average 3% inflation rate, it would take ~125 years to match up what we spend now. Not to mention that military heavily tilted to technology now, which actually gets cheaper, not more expensive over time.

    Times have changed too. This is not WWII or the Cold War anymore. Our deterring factor is obviously fairly greatly curtailed, considering advances by NK, Russia, and the turmoil in the Middle East.

    So our ROI has greatly diminished over time. Time to back up and see where we’re spending our money.
    ROI would certainly be interesting, albeit enormously hard, to attempt to quantify.

    We need a definite counter to the Chinese/Russian authoritarian narrative. Someone needs to be the proponent for human rights and freedom.

    We can't do that effectively if other countries fall into the orbits of authoritarians themselves.

    Not sure how to put a price tag on that.

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    ROI would certainly be interesting, albeit enormously hard, to attempt to quantify.

    We need a definite counter to the Chinese/Russian authoritarian narrative. Someone needs to be the proponent for human rights and freedom.

    We can't do that effectively if other countries fall into the orbits of authoritarians themselves.

    Not sure how to put a price tag on that.
    We don't need to police the world. Bad happens. You cannot be the savior of the world with a budget.

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