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Hey p____face.... I am a Maverick fan. And I am begging you, pleading with you.... to shut the heck up.
Haven't you ever heard of bad karma?
looks like this game will go down to the wire
Hey p____face.... I am a Maverick fan. And I am begging you, pleading with you.... to shut the heck up.
Haven't you ever heard of bad karma?
no...i don't know how you all get down in sarejevo, but I live in the developed world, post enlightenment era...we have evolved beyond silly supers ions.
i prefer to be rational.
go mavs...u2 sucks
Last edited by pussyface; 05-31-2006 at 11:03 PM.
So, you think that we should judge the future without any connection to the past at all?
Interesting position. So, why then are you throwing the Pistons under the bus again?
Kind of arbitrary to pick exactly 2 weeks as relevant and throw out everything else.
Sounds a lot like special pleading. What can you tell me about this...?
manu...i dont think you really nailed me here like you might think.
i think we can all, as reasonable, fairminded people, agree that although the history of a given season is relevent, talking about things that transpired in the early 90's is not.
even the detroit guy was sort of feeling me on this one.
Let me put it like this: you are making an argument about Detroit being a bad team based upon the last 2 weeks. It seems a little inconsistent, therefore, to criticize Detroit fans for making an argument that Detroit is a championship team because of the last 2 or 3 years because they are using a historical argument.
Let's accept the supposition that winning 2 championships in the early 90's does not have a causative relationship with winning a championship this year.
An inconsistency in your position appears to remain.
We both are using historical arguments to support our point of view. However, the difference between us is that you claim that my use of historical argument is invalid and that historical arguments in general are invalid as support of a given position.
Therefore, is it not the case, that if your argument is true, then it is false? Do you not have a self contradiction in your argument?
It appears to me that you have several different propositions being true at the same time (at least 1 of them is wrong).
First, historical arguments used to support a certain point of view are invalid.
Second, the Pistons are not a championship caliber team because of their losses in the last couple of weeks.
Third, one may use historical arguments to a certain extent, just do it reasonably (and I alone am able to determine what qualifies as reasonable).
If you recant the first, then you must admit that it is as legitimate for me to use the last couple of years as evidence for my position or demonstrate why you are not engaged in special pleading (2 weeks is relevant but 2 years is not).
If you don't recant the first, then propositions 2 and 3 are not valid.
Help, please.
you believe that having won a le 16 years ago helps estabish that a team in 2006 is a true contender.
my point is that the more recent the history is, the more relevent it is. nothing is more relevent for detroit than their last 10 games.
i never said detroit was a "bad" team. just that they werent ever really gonna win the le and were a mirage.
read my response to you in the thread "game 7." i had spurs and pistons fans alike amening me on the idea that you are misguided.
Well, no help appears to be forthcoming.
So, I maintain my position that since this is the same starting five that won it all in 2004 and was minutes away from winning it all in 2005 and had the best record in the league, that it is legitimate to consider the Pistons a championship caliber team (at least until they lose a series whenever that is).
read my post.
you sir, are an idiot.
dont overthink it...your just crazy.
Read my post about Flip and the boys in the Game 7 thread you prematurely started.
No just bad logic.
you must be 50+, yes? you have a dad sense of humor.
Me: Detroit has historically won 3 nba les, therefore this years flip saunder's helmed edition is championship caliber.
this is a team that lost its iden y as a defensive power by using a fraudulent offense to rack up a ton of wins in the regular season. that record was misleading... most people will agree with me especially after these guys season ends in game 6.
Going 7 with the Cavs is disgraceful. Lebron will someday be an alltime great, but that team of his is garbage. a great team should dismantle one superstar.
...lets not talk about about how the Pistons won a le in 1990 or whenever because its not relevent. I guess you would give Dirk and these Mavs more credit if Rolondo Blackman had led the Mavs to a le in the 1980's. This is just stupid. I capatalized/emphasized that Detroit hadnt shown championship pedigree in the postseason THIS YEAR in my original post to avoid this type of idiocy.
At the end of the day, you can always "you havent ever won anything" to Dallas (at least for another week or two), but if theres any lesson you could have learned from this years postseason it might have been the past does not equal the present.
The 2006 Detroit Pistons were a mirage... they were never gonna win the NBA le.
Good post alot of good points but as a Piston fan I know this team and don't count them out yet. I may eat my words but they have been down this road.-vinnie johnson
premature?
My demise has been greatly exaggerated.
For three points, please tell me where I can find that quotation (or paraphrase-)?
No, I'm nowhere remotely close to 50.
Let's not go there, okay.
BTW, just 4 your information,
your does not = you are (from one of your posts higher up)
Where the did that come from?
your crazy is incorrect.
you are illiterate.
And you still have not decided which of your 3 propositions is false.
Still waiting. Not going anywhere for a while (snickers commerical)???
BTW, I already said to accept the supposition that winning 2 championships in the 1990's does not have a causal relationship with winning a championship this year.
Now, are all historical arguments (including ones that rely on facts about the same starting 5 that they have now) invalid or only the ones where you pick and choose (including arbitrarily limiting the acceptable time spans)?
It seems that most of the Mavs fans who post do not reason well.
They repeatedly violate logic rules in their arguments.
Perhaps this occurs because of the Mavericks history.
Or perhaps this explains why they are Mavericks fans.
BTW, I already said to accept the supposition that winning 2 championships in the 1990's does not have a causal relationship with winning a championship this year. "-the manu
as long as you are ready to admit that Bill Lambeer is not relevent to this series, I am satisfied to end this discussion.
...i am sincerely glad that I finally was able to get through to you...you are a tough nut to crack.
Did you just use the words "Athletic" and "Antoine Walker" in the same sentence? What player are you watching?
My name is 100% uncreative, as is my "Bandwagon Fan" label... that's about all you got right.
About Karma: of course, logically, I don't believe in Karma. But the Spurs only win Championships when I'm worried sick about it happening. Whenever I'm overconfident (in 2000, 2001, 2004, and 2006) they lose. (2002 was an aberration I cannot explain)
I actually enjoy your takes, and believe me, I'm just having fun.
I'm sticking with Heat in 6, and Mavs in 7, despite the fact that either series could go either way.
Wallace: my comments on Walker were sarcastic, such as my compliment about how he is long known for his dedication to the concept of team basketball.
Mavs fans don't respect Walker that much.
If he beats the Mavs i'll never recover
Clear case of bad karma striking, tbh.
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