Nope, he treated Jonathon Simmons and Kyle Anderson the same exact way when they were here. It's Pop being Pop. Only this time he plays defensive black holes over Walker and the team is not as good as it used to be, so the results are a lot more extreme in a negative way. Pop never changes his approach. It's his way or the highway
Tbf hate it or love he’s the best coach at developing talent. So many bad teams bust with picks consistently and it just isn’t picking talent. Spurs do a really good job at identifying talent (RC) and probably an even better job at developing it (pop). The track record speaks for itself
Just because you knew how Simmons and Anderson turned out doesnt mean at the time they didnt have any potential.... That could be the exact same reason those guys were treated the same way Lonnie is right now--because Pop was trying to see how far their talent would take them.
Being wonderful will just earn him two more mpg tbh. Or maybe he starts again, but first bad game pop will pull the plug and put his pet Forbes back in
Dont get me wrong, the record is all on him and his rotations. I'm just saying that a lot of us were legitimately concerned that he had gone senile because he couldn't see what a huge upgrade Lonnie was over inelli. That he couldn't see what was so obvious to literally every other single person. In reality, I think Pop was aware of it all along. He just needed to mold Lonnie (in his own way) before handing him the keys.
I didn't like it and I don't think it was the only way to get the same end result...but if Lonnie starts from here on out and continues being a really solid two-way player then who cares. Very little harm done in the grand scheme of things, tbh.
Here's the track record since 2011.
Cory Joseph
Adam Hanga
Marcus Denmon
Livio Jean-Charles
Jordan McRae
Deshaun Thomas
Kyle Anderson
Cory Jefferson
Nikola Milutinov
Cady Lalanne
Dejounte Murray
Derrick White
Jaron Blossomgame
Lonnie Walker
Chimezie Metu
Luka Samanic
Keldon Johnson
Quinndary Weatherspoon
Are we sure that PATFO's reputation is more than a myth?
He's starting Forbes, so I don't think he knows. He does what he wants to do, which is prefer scrub basketball players over superior basketball players because those scrubs listen to him. Worst coach in the NBA
Yeah my previous statement, how can you start Forbes AGAIN after one bad offensive performance from Lonnie on a single game? And after the guy's first start... Lonnie's dad's tweet looks grimy now, what a "start of an era" lol
Because he sucked then and he sucks tonight.
Lonnie was non existent tonight
i'm going to exclude the rooks because its too early to judge them but considering the highest pick here was #18 and most of these are low 20s or 2nd rounders, 5 out of the 15 are at least / have turned out to be rotational NBA players, that is actually a pretty incredible %. especially when you consider teams like Sac and Minny who are always in the lottery and draft bust after bust
kawhi Leonard 2011
He played well enough.. but forbes really really sucks
Played good in the 2nd half once he got constant minutesplayed some really nice defense and rebounded well.
You forgot someone from the 2011 draft class
I didn't want to get into all that in this thread, so I started just after him.
don't forget Bertans who we gave away for nothing so he can become a 20 point per game scorer. How many times has PATFO done that? Scola, Dragic?
Wait, the Jordan Mcrae who’s scoring pretty good with the Wizards?
Yep. The Spurs traded McRae on draft night for Nemanja Dangubić.
This isn't true
Edgelords doubling down per par. Can’t give credit where it’s deserved if it doesn’t fit their agenda. There’s just too much to discuss but you can’t conveniently skip Kawhi getting drafted or the root... George Hill as a late first produced Kawhi... that alone is enough. That produced a championship and kept us out of the lottery for several seasons. Name teams picking with late firsts and seconds that have done better. Plz.
piece of advice to every edgelord here,... you give a man enough rope he’ll hang himself.
Against the leagues leading team at their home court non the less.
Pop has a history of trying new things when he faces a sure loss against the best team in the league and this time it was trying Lonnie in the starting role. I didn't expect it to last...
2nd round picks have a very low rate of success in the NBA... so imo its unfair to pad the list like that. if you just look at first rounders, its more hits than anything. even an unheralded guy like cory joseph is playing his 9th year in the NBA, so thats a good pick given that it was the back end of the first.
livio is certainly a bust but kyle anderson, derrick white, dejounte, lonnie all look like good picks.
milutinov is a wasted one, and samanic.... well he's a ways away
Yeah, sure mate...
Let's start at 2011 to remove Nephew, Parker and Giniboli 3 future HOFers... And let's add the second rounders, 90% of whom don't make it or stay in the NBA... Then let's occult the fact Spurs did all that with mostly 25-30 picks and let's not compare this with others teams with similar picks to see if they did better...
Not to mention what's important isn't as much picking than developing players.
Some of you and your agenda are really funny... Guys calling people trusting or at least people giving the benefit of the doubt to a coach of Pop's experience "sniffers", before licking a kid's ass with a dozen real NBA games underhis belt and who has shown a few promising things, then stating spurs are "litterally" losing because he was playing like he was Lebron or something...
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