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    Sorry DeMar, your new deal will get in the way of Brent's new deal. He's too wonderful to part with.
    Who the is Brent? Do you mean Benji, # 11?

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    If Detroit weren't shopping Drummond, then I would be higher on them. They are also 4.5 games back of eighth and the Spurs will likely demand a 1st back for DeRozan and I don't think Detroit would give up a lottery pick to get him.

    Otto Porter and a 1st would make sense but Porter has been injured for most of this season and Chicago is as a far back as Detroit is. Spurs probably aren't getting a lottery pick back for DDR.

    Orlando remains as the best trade partner. Gordon, Augustine and their 1st rounder (currently 17th) for DeRozan and Belinelli works
    Agree re DET, they’re punting on the season with Griffin out and now their willingness to move Drummond. Bulls seem interesting, but I have no clue what their plans are these days.

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    People need to stop repeating this . Even Magic came out and said that was never the offer. The offer was Kuz, Hart, and a pick.
    You forgot about the two time allstar Deng.

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    This is looking more and more like the Spurs should have taken the Lakers deal instead of Raptors for Kawhi. Ingram, Ball around is better than getting peanuts for DeMar.
    Lol, this idiocy will never die.

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    Lol, this idiocy will never die.
    Its spurs talk. The amount of trolling is grade a

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    People need to stop repeating this . Even Magic came out and said that was never the offer. The offer was Kuz, Hart, and a pick.
    that's actually better than Ingram and Ball

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    A player not under contract can sign for any team. So what?



    Yeah, players get paid to play. And?

    Your theory is that it decreases a player's trade value when he wants to be paid for playing. Lol

    (Hint: they all expect to be paid. In fact, it's a legal requirement.)

    The question I asked stands. Why do you imagine the Spurs would only trade DDR to a team he doesn't want to play for?
    What? You either aren’t reading what they said or have a great mis-understanding.

    The reason the trade value is lower is because if a team gives up assets for DeRozan, he opts out and then signs with another team they gave up assets for nothing.

    So the fact that it’s DeRozan that controls that outcome and not the team hurts his trade value.

    Would you give up assets for something you don’t know you can keep after just 4 months? If a team trades for him they better be willing to pay him the max or else they have a very slim chance of keeping him.

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    A lot of folks around here forget that the only way some teams have a chance to keep him long term is via bird rights because they have no path to substantial cap space. That’s value in a trade.

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    Who the is Brent? Do you mean Benji, # 11?
    Yeah, that Forms guy that belongs in the g-league, tbh.

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    A lot of folks around here forget that the only way some teams have a chance to keep him long term is via bird rights because they have no path to substantial cap space. That’s value in a trade.
    A lot of people here also forget that most teams won't have any cap space, so if some of them are interested they could do a sign and trade

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    It could rain this week, or sunshine, perhaps some cloud cover and wind from one direction and maybe changing to another direction sometime in the week. Chance of precipitation is between 0 and about 99%. Temperatures in the double digits possible.

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    What? You either aren’t reading what they said or have a great mis-understanding. ...
    You are either stupid or illiterate.

    Answer my question - if you can read it. What makes you think the Spurs would only trade DDR to a team he doesn't want to play for?

    Answer that question. If you can read it.

    The reason the trade value is lower is because if a team gives up assets for DeRozan, he opts out and then signs with another team they gave up assets for nothing.
    Answer the question above. If you can read it.

    Then answer this question, also: do you understand that whoever the Spurs might trade DDR for will not be obligated to play for the Spurs in perpetuity?

    Are you able to understand that?

    Do you understand the implications of that? Answer the question.

    How are you going to do this trade that only involves DDR and nobody else? Spunky.

    Okay, the Spurs trade DDR for Joe Doe, and DDR doesn't re-sign with the team to which he was traded, and Joe doesn't re-sign with the Spurs, therefore you say both teams have ended up with "nothing" so they shouldn't have made the trade.

    You are a moron.

    There aren't any perpetual contracts, spunky.

    You didn't even realize that in talking about trading DDR it implied another player, did you?

    So the fact that it’s DeRozan that controls that outcome and not the team hurts his trade value.
    You think it hurts a player's trade value that he expects to be paid. Which means that all the players in the league are hurting their trade value, by expecting to be paid. And you really believe that.

    Would you give up assets for something you don’t know you can keep after just 4 months? ...
    Would you trade for a player who might ruin a knee tomorrow night?

    Answer that question, spunky. No, don't wet your pants, and squeal, and change the subject, and run away. Answer that question.

    The whole business is full of risks, spunky.

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    If a team trades for him they better be willing to pay him the max or else they have a very slim chance of keeping him.
    You are so mentally warped you think you're DDR's agent. Lol

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    Another one of these false hope articles. Seriously no one gives a anymore. Just lose every game, win every game with Forbes shooting every shot who cares

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    Demar finally starts playing hard in hopes of getting traded to a different (contending) team. He is exactly the type of scrub that would pull that .

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    Lol, this idiocy will never die.
    If DeMar played like he did vs Toronto tonight all the time than yes the trade was worth it.

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    What? You either aren’t reading what they said or have a great mis-understanding.

    The reason the trade value is lower is because if a team gives up assets for DeRozan, he opts out and then signs with another team they gave up assets for nothing.

    So the fact that it’s DeRozan that controls that outcome and not the team hurts his trade value.

    Would you give up assets for something you don’t know you can keep after just 4 months? If a team trades for him they better be willing to pay him the max or else they have a very slim chance of keeping him.
    You have great patience

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    What? You either aren’t reading what they said or have a great mis-understanding.

    The reason the trade value is lower is because if a team gives up assets for DeRozan, he opts out and then signs with another team they gave up assets for nothing.

    So the fact that it’s DeRozan that controls that outcome and not the team hurts his trade value.

    Would you give up assets for something you don’t know you can keep after just 4 months? If a team trades for him they better be willing to pay him the max or else they have a very slim chance of keeping him.
    I don't think his trade value is lower because of the player option. He seems likely to opt in, giving the new team an extra season.

    If he opts out then they would have bird rights to re-sign him. Given how the bad team's have much of the available cap space in the 2020 off season, they probably wouldn't want to spend it on him.

    In other words, the team that trades for DDR would have a great shot at keeping him.

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    People need to stop repeating this . Even Magic came out and said that was never the offer. The offer was Kuz, Hart, and a pick.
    the deal was ingram hart and a pick - spurs denied bc they wanted 2-3picks more. At the beginning spurs wanted also kuz but he was untouchable and lakers were laughing all week i guess.
    kuz>ingram so ur offer is much better
    kuz>ingram>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>derozan
    patfo screwed spurs much more than kawhi did, thats the truth

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    I don't think his trade value is lower because of the player option. He seems likely to opt in, giving the new team an extra season.

    If he opts out then they would have bird rights to re-sign him. Given how the bad team's have much of the available cap space in the 2020 off season, they probably wouldn't want to spend it on him.

    In other words, the team that trades for DDR would have a great shot at keeping him.
    This would not be the first time we’ve seen this general scenario arise in the nba. In every case, the value is always lower due to the situation.

    Whether he opts in, or opts out, the team has zero control over that which is the point (risk). It’s not that a team that trades for him wouldn’t have a shot at keeping him (you are correct there); it’s that it is not for sure which adds risk and we just disagree that a team would not spend on DeRozan in free agency.

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    Demar finally starts playing hard in hopes of getting traded to a different (contending) team. He is exactly the type of scrub that would pull that .
    The offense has been re-worked, with LMA on the perimeter, to get him room to operate down low. That's the change, not some increase in effort on his part.

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    A lot of people here also forget that most teams won't have any cap space, so if some of them are interested they could do a sign and trade
    If the Spurs want to move on, they'll let him roll off rather than take out some other team's trash. Bird rights also no longer convey on a S&T.

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    the deal was ingram hart and a pick - spurs denied bc they wanted 2-3picks more. At the beginning spurs wanted also kuz but he was untouchable and lakers were laughing all week i guess.
    kuz>ingram so ur offer is much better
    kuz>ingram>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>derozan
    patfo screwed spurs much more than kawhi did, thats the truth
    I'm hoping you don't know the correct use of the >< signs, because that's an awful take otherwise. Kuzma is absolutely worse than Ingram, was at the time of the trade and more so even now. Beyond the Lakeshow circlejerk, Kuzma is an overrated bad shooter with lacking defensive effort/awareness, while Ingram looks close to s om and is putting up 25ppg (not that it's the end all be all, but he's also posting nice stats elsewhere, his shot form has progressed and he's been on a constant uptrend scoring-wise every season of his career).

    Obviously the untouchable one for Lakers at the time was Ingram, even though there was a report of a supposed package including him, but without picks iirc. And for the record I don't agree that either Kuzma or Ingram are better than DD right now, even though BI surely has the age/upside argument in his favor.

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    DDR has been legit good this season, and the Spurs are basically tied for 8th in the West. I'd be shocked if PATFO traded DeRozan but its worth taking a look around.
    He's had some high scoring games this season, but tbh I can't recall another game besides yesterday's win where he either controlled the basketball and didn't turn it over, or made free throws in crunch time.

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    I'm hoping you don't know the correct use of the >< signs, because that's an awful take otherwise. Kuzma is absolutely worse than Ingram, was at the time of the trade and more so even now. Beyond the Lakeshow circlejerk, Kuzma is an overrated bad shooter with lacking defensive effort/awareness, while Ingram looks close to s om and is putting up 25ppg (not that it's the end all be all, but he's also posting nice stats elsewhere, his shot form has progressed and he's been on a constant uptrend scoring-wise every season of his career).

    Obviously the untouchable one for Lakers at the time was Ingram, even though there was a report of a supposed package including him, but without picks iirc. And for the record I don't agree that either Kuzma or Ingram are better than DD right now, even though BI surely has the age/upside argument in his favor.
    in NOLA ingram is first score option, in LA kuz is third/fourth. thats the reason why ingram puts 20+ ppg and kuz plays under his potential.
    No, kuz was untouchable. Go and read some articles about it.

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