you just agreed with me that the distinction between Social Democrat and Democratic socialist isn't a big deal because that distinction would mean nothing in the general election with Bernie as a candidate.
CNN bad now
you just agreed with me that the distinction between Social Democrat and Democratic socialist isn't a big deal because that distinction would mean nothing in the general election with Bernie as a candidate.
Trump is going to call any opponent a radical socialist. No distinction will be made.
And now you moved the goalposts back to the primaries.
You're lost.
When did I do that exactly? Use your quote tags.
If you call yourself a socialist, Trump won't need to. Bernie isn't facing Trump, he's facing Warren and Biden mostly.
you're lost. the posts are right there
chump said the distinction between the democratic socialist and social democrat les is not that big a deal
your direct response was "we'll see come election"
i'm following just fine, you just keep ting yourself at every turn
Bernie's not being an actual member of the Democratic party is an issue and has been before.
I've said this.
The average voter isn't going to even do your lazy research into terms that barely mean anything in US politics. They'll look at Bernie's positions, listen to his words and see if they like them. Especially his call for a government takeover of the publishing industry you insist he must be advocating.
Chump said
What does this have to do with your assertions?
Let your argument stand on its own.
"we're not piling on"
Quote what you claim I agreed with you on or retract it.
The average voter won't research anyone. I don't know what "average voter" you've been talking to. I mean, Trump won. Do you think the average voter researched Trump and his lengthy background in politics or they just voted for the republican candidate who say they agree with on TV?
Uh, he can't really make an argument without recounting what I said.
you're agreeing with me again.
He still has his own argument he can fall back on. I realize that's an extreme measure around here but it's there for him.
Agree about not researching, but not about listening to Bernie and deciding based on his position. I don't think they'll look at him at all outside of maybe a debate. He won't lose voters, mostly, but he won't gain any. I have a lower opinion of the average voter than you, obviously. I think they will vote based on his appearance and the label of socialist. He'll be the far left extreme on the stage, and Warren already painted him as a misogynist and a CNN painted him as a liar. His positions might as well be a settlement on Mars.
my argument did. sanders isn't a pure socialist. i've said so all along. you blew a gasket because he makes money off his books despite calling himself a democratic socialist, which i said doesnt contradict his values because he has never advocated for state control over all industry, including book publications, and that its very lazy to look up a long definition of whatever brand of socialism and try to claim somebody must subscribe to every single world/sentence within such definition
You went from "take issue with" to "angry" to "upset" to "blew a gasket".
Your need to insert drama where none exists tells me you don't really have anything else to offer.
“Is it right that the middle class continues to disappear while there has been a massive transfer of wealth from working families to the top one-tenth of 1 percent? Trillions of dollars in the last 30 years have flowed from the middle class to the top one-tenth of 1 percent. And the American people say, ‘No, that’s not right.’ ” -Bernie the millionaire
they're functionally the same in the context of the conversation
and yes, bernie the millionaire wants to drastically increase taxes on millionaires to pay for things like education and healthcare. thats not the same as having the state take over all industry/business ergo pure socialism
we agree again
You're the one who asked if anyone had a problem with it. You could have used "Has anyone blown a gasket over it" or "is anyone angry about it" or "is anyone upset about it" but you didn't. If it's all the same, why do you keep ratcheting up the drama? Do you need to paint your opponent as out of control just to try to make a point?
Bernie is a hypocrite. What's hard to understand about someone who spent their life ing about millionaires then they become one?
my point was there irrespective of how i categorized it. you said you had a problem with it. whether i left it or that, called it anger, or blowing a gasket, or whatever doesnt change the underlying point that he has never called for pure socialism and that none of his policy positions contradict his ability to make money off his book
If he's willing to tax himself like the other millionaires I don't see that big a problem there tbh. Can invoke FDR.
They won't look at his position. They'll hear "socialist" and assume to know his position. We're talking about the average voter (much like the average poster here)
Differentiate "look at his position" from "listen to his words" in a way that doesn't include research.
you haven't shown to be much different from the average voter in that regard
Don't need to. Both can be done taking in a debate or a political ad.
Again, how would you know? You can answer that (2nd time I asked) or cherry pick Chump's post to jump in on.
i wasn't aware those posts were private messages to chump
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