trump impeachment watch thread

[koriwhat]

[ElNono]

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Oops, sorry, mixed you up with Spurs Homer

[ChumpDumper]

Here?

No, anywhere.

[Blake]

Look at all the butthurt showing up today. It's amazing. Let it all out.

Dmc begging for more material for his ST book

[spurraider21]

imagine posting this and then saying you're not a trumper

[koriwhat]

imagine posting this and then saying you're not a trumper

[koriwhat]

hey ty lawyer should i post a photo of you crying instead?

[ChumpDumper]

Imagine melting down when someone quotes you.

[DMC]

Oops, sorry, mixed you up with Spurs Homer

Understandable

[DMC]

No, anywhere.

Here it's exclusively to win tiny w's.

Elsewhere, that's a red herring

[ChumpDumper]

Here it's exclusively to win tiny w's.

Elsewhere, that's a red herring

By discussing this, you are trying to win a tiny w.

[boutons_deux]

Trump administration reveals it's blocking dozens of emails about Ukraine aid freeze, including President's role

The Department of Justice revealed in a court filing late Friday that it has

two dozen emails related to President Donald Trump's involvement in the withholding of millions in security assistance to Ukraine --

a disclosure that came just hours after the Senate voted against subpoenaing additional do ents and witnesses in Trump's impeachment trial, paving the way for his acquittal.

The filing, released near midnight Friday, marks the

first official acknowledgment from the Trump administration that emails about the President's thinking related to the aid exist,

and that he was directly involved in asking about and deciding on the aid as early as June.

The administration is still blocking those emails from the public and has successfully kept them from Congress.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/01/politics/trump-ukraine-aid-emails-omb-justice-department/index.html

[Spurminator]

but then if everyone knew, what's the point of a 400 page discussion?

Because it's news.

Oh that's right, the left took their victory laps prematurely. The band was on the field a bit early.

"The left"

I don't speak for the left. Certainly there were some liberals who thought there was a chance that there would be witnesses called, but unfortunately they were naive. Their being wrong isn't an argument against me.

But it's still not over. Saying it's predetermined basically s on any gains you think the left made here.

It's over. Trump will be acquitted. I don't see any of this in terms of political gain because I'm not interested in partisan gamesmanship. Impeachment was the right thing to do.

[TSA]

The media ignored the obvious catastrophic blunder by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her leadership. The media instead suggested that it was all some grand and brilliant scheme. They even credited the strategy with Bolton eventually coming forward to say he would testify with a subpoena, even though the same offer was made during the House investigation. The media also ignored the unexplained decision by the House to withdraw a subpoena for top Bolton aide Charles Kupperman, who went to court as a prerequisite for testimony, the same position taken by Bolton. Before the courts could even rule, the House mooted the case by withdrawing the subpoena. That made no sense, and the court dismissed the case after concluding that the House appeared to have no interest in the witness.

No harm would have come from pursuing testimony by Kupperman. Yet lead House manager Adam Schiff offered a facially dubious explanation that Kupperman had said he would litigate the issue. If Kupperman truly wanted to drag out litigation, he could have refused to appear before the House and waited for it to seek to compel his testimony. Instead, he said he just wanted a court order in favor of testifying for his own protection. Moreover, House Democrats continued to seek to compel the testimony of former White House counsel Donald McGahn, despite his continued litigation. It won that case as the House was voting on impeachment.

As these blunders by the House became more and more obvious, all the efforts to excuse them became more and more absurd. One main defense heard in the media was that it did not matter, given the Senate Republican majority. Yet if the House was certain to lose on that record, why end the investigation prematurely with a case that would be so easy to defeat? By waiting only a few months, the record would have been stronger. Instead, House Democrats surrendered control of the record to the opposing party and adopted a ridiculous strategy of demanding concessions to end with this trial that Senate Republicans loathed. That strategy failed miserably.

This is not Monday morning quarterbacking. This very series of events was expressly laid out before the vote, and House Democrats made a decision to choose certain failure over completing their impeachment case. There was no reason to expect Senate Republicans to assist House managers in making their case, particularly in calling witnesses not subpoenaed by the House. Democrats had opposed any witnesses in the impeachment trial of President Clinton and voted as a bloc for a summary acquittal. There was no reason to expect Republicans to adopt an entirely different approach.

[ChumpDumper]

The media ignored the obvious catastrophic blunder by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her leadership. The media instead suggested that it was all some grand and brilliant scheme. They even credited the strategy with Bolton eventually coming forward to say he would testify with a subpoena, even though the same offer was made during the House investigation. The media also ignored the unexplained decision by the House to withdraw a subpoena for top Bolton aide Charles Kupperman, who went to court as a prerequisite for testimony, the same position taken by Bolton. Before the courts could even rule, the House mooted the case by withdrawing the subpoena. That made no sense, and the court dismissed the case after concluding that the House appeared to have no interest in the witness.

No harm would have come from pursuing testimony by Kupperman. Yet lead House manager Adam Schiff offered a facially dubious explanation that Kupperman had said he would litigate the issue. If Kupperman truly wanted to drag out litigation, he could have refused to appear before the House and waited for it to seek to compel his testimony. Instead, he said he just wanted a court order in favor of testifying for his own protection. Moreover, House Democrats continued to seek to compel the testimony of former White House counsel Donald McGahn, despite his continued litigation. It won that case as the House was voting on impeachment.

As these blunders by the House became more and more obvious, all the efforts to excuse them became more and more absurd. One main defense heard in the media was that it did not matter, given the Senate Republican majority. Yet if the House was certain to lose on that record, why end the investigation prematurely with a case that would be so easy to defeat? By waiting only a few months, the record would have been stronger. Instead, House Democrats surrendered control of the record to the opposing party and adopted a ridiculous strategy of demanding concessions to end with this trial that Senate Republicans loathed. That strategy failed miserably.

This is not Monday morning quarterbacking. This very series of events was expressly laid out before the vote, and House Democrats made a decision to choose certain failure over completing their impeachment case. There was no reason to expect Senate Republicans to assist House managers in making their case, particularly in calling witnesses not subpoenaed by the House. Democrats had opposed any witnesses in the impeachment trial of President Clinton and voted as a bloc for a summary acquittal. There was no reason to expect Republicans to adopt an entirely different approach.

the Republicans were never going to allow witnesses.

Ever.

No matter what.

So now the house can just keep working it Benghazi style in the coming months, while all the senators are on record with their votes.

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Boiled down:::

Trump and Clinton stand shoulder to shoulder as the only duly elected Presidents to ever be impeached.

I got to take it like a trouper.

[boutons_deux]

Repugs wanted witnesses in Slick Willie's consensual sex?

otoh, there were MANY people involved in Trash's Ukraine scheme, ALL of whom Trash/Barr blocked from appearing in the House(not because Dems didn't all them), along with all the related do ents.

[Thread]

The media ignored the obvious catastrophic blunder by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her leadership. The media instead suggested that it was all some grand and brilliant scheme. They even credited the strategy with Bolton eventually coming forward to say he would testify with a subpoena, even though the same offer was made during the House investigation. The media also ignored the unexplained decision by the House to withdraw a subpoena for top Bolton aide Charles Kupperman, who went to court as a prerequisite for testimony, the same position taken by Bolton. Before the courts could even rule, the House mooted the case by withdrawing the subpoena. That made no sense, and the court dismissed the case after concluding that the House appeared to have no interest in the witness.

No harm would have come from pursuing testimony by Kupperman. Yet lead House manager Adam Schiff offered a facially dubious explanation that Kupperman had said he would litigate the issue. If Kupperman truly wanted to drag out litigation, he could have refused to appear before the House and waited for it to seek to compel his testimony. Instead, he said he just wanted a court order in favor of testifying for his own protection. Moreover, House Democrats continued to seek to compel the testimony of former White House counsel Donald McGahn, despite his continued litigation. It won that case as the House was voting on impeachment.

As these blunders by the House became more and more obvious, all the efforts to excuse them became more and more absurd. One main defense heard in the media was that it did not matter, given the Senate Republican majority. Yet if the House was certain to lose on that record, why end the investigation prematurely with a case that would be so easy to defeat? By waiting only a few months, the record would have been stronger. Instead, House Democrats surrendered control of the record to the opposing party and adopted a ridiculous strategy of demanding concessions to end with this trial that Senate Republicans loathed. That strategy failed miserably.

This is not Monday morning quarterbacking. This very series of events was expressly laid out before the vote, and House Democrats made a decision to choose certain failure over completing their impeachment case. There was no reason to expect Senate Republicans to assist House managers in making their case, particularly in calling witnesses not subpoenaed by the House. Democrats had opposed any witnesses in the impeachment trial of President Clinton and voted as a bloc for a summary acquittal. There was no reason to expect Republicans to adopt an entirely different approach.

They were giddy to apply the Branding Iron (I) to Trump's rump.

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Repugs wanted witnesses in Slick Willie's consensual sex?

otoh, there was MANY people involved in Trash's Ukraine scheme, ALL of whom Trash/Barr blocked from appearing in the House, along with all the related do ents.

Go-to-court, bouts, you'd a got 'em in the end.

[Reck]

the Republicans were never going to allow witnesses.

Ever.

No matter what.

So now the house can just keep working it Benghazi style in the coming months, while all the senators are on record with their votes.

So you mean if they took their sweet time that somehow the republicans would see the light and go, yeah he needs to be removed.

TSA

[ChumpDumper]

So you mean if they took their sweet time that somehow the republicans would see the light and go, yeah he needs to be removed.

TSA

this isn't the halfway principled Watergate GOP. , even Nixon had something resembling a sense of guilt and responsibility.

[Chris]

[ChumpDumper]

Why are you questioning the founding fathers, Qhris?

[Chris]

[ChumpDumper]

You just said Cons ution bad.

Pick a lane.