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    you're spending more effort finding gifs and making these posts than spitting out an answer to whats a really basic question about the entire premise of this conversation
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    I think every state should do what it considers to be in its best interest. There. I answered your last rephrased question.
    no, you aren't answering. i asked if you would agree that it's a better system to have everybody's vote count as equal regardless of where they live.

    if you dont hold that opinion that's your business. it shouldn't be that hard to just say so

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    thats a result of the senate and the fixed number of reps which leads to imperfect proportional representation
    Sure, I know there's precedent, but we're discussing an overhaul of how we elect a President and I think it's a pretty fair middle ground. Don't think you can change the Senate. Best fix for that is more states.

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    Keep in mind that when you change a procedure that you consider is in your current political best interest it can always backfire. Harry Reid learned that the hard way when he went nuclear in 2013 on Federal judge appointments. The Republicans have crammed that decision up his ass ever since.

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    Keep in mind that when you change a procedure that you consider is in your current political best interest it can always backfire. Harry Reid learned that the hard way when he went nuclear in 2013 on Federal judge appointments. The Republicans have crammed that decision up his ass ever since.
    Because McConnell obstructed at an unprecedented rate for four years.

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    Sure, I know there's precedent, but we're discussing an overhaul of how we elect a President and I think it's a pretty fair middle ground. Don't think you can change the Senate. Best fix for that is more states.
    oh, absolutely. i already said i'd be for that solution as a reasonable compromise.

    but that requires all 50 states to be on board, individually

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    Keep in mind that when you change a procedure that you consider is in your current political best interest it can always backfire.
    The funny thing about this argument from them is that the EC favors their party. It's only when they run incredibly ty candidates like Gore & Hillary that they have a problem with it.

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    Keep in mind that when you change a procedure that you consider is in your current political best interest it can always backfire. Harry Reid learned that the hard way when he went nuclear in 2013 on Federal judge appointments. The Republicans have crammed that decision up his ass ever since.
    i dont have an issue with this because the popular vote is not inherently advantageous to any one party of the other. it's only advantageous to the people, because only in that system does everybody's vote count as the same. your vote in texas right now, in terms of the presidential election, means -all. i dont know why you prefer that to a popular vote where your vote now matters as much as some shmuck who happens to live on florida or pennsylvania

    The funny thing about this argument from them is that the EC favors their party. It's only when they run incredibly ty candidates like Gore & Hillary that they have a problem with it.
    how did you reach the conclusion that the EC favors the democratic party?

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    how did you reach the conclusion that the EC favors the democratic party?
    Same way he reached the conclusion that Trump would be a Democrat after getting elected?

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    The funny thing about this argument from them is that the EC favors their party. It's only when they run incredibly ty candidates like Gore & Hillary that they have a problem with it.
    How does that make any sense? The GOP ran incredibly ty candidates in Bush and Trump and won thanks only to the EC.

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    If Repugs had lost 2 of the last 5 elections due to EC, they would have been SCREAMING to abolish the EC.

    The EC has failed to block the Trash type of candidate that the FFs feared when they created the EC

    America simply can't fix its , which has been rigged, weaponized against solutions.

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    The GOP has won the popular vote once in the last 30 years and yet they have won 3 of those 7 elections. But the electoral college favors the Democrats.

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    If Repugs had lost 2 of the last 5 elections due to EC, they would have been SCREAMING to abolish the EC.
    and they'd have a great point tbh

    i love how the argument is "we dont want 51% to impose their will on the 49%" but somehow its much better to allow the 49% to impose their will on the 51%?

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    and they'd have a great point tbh

    i love how the argument is "we dont want 51% to impose their will on the 49%" but somehow its much better to allow the 49% to impose their will on the 51%?
    I still remember in gradeschool thinking how stupid the electoral college sounded when we were taught it but the teachers said it always lines up with the popular vote anyways so it didn't matter. Too bad we couldn't get rid of this stain from slavery before ClearChannel and Fox News radicalized the right. It's obviously never going anywhere now under this current s bag Republican party.

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    I still remember in gradeschool thinking how stupid the electoral college sounded when we were taught it but the teachers said it always lines up with the popular vote anyways so it didn't matter. Too bad we couldn't get rid of this stain from slavery before ClearChannel and Fox News radicalized the right.
    what a trip... i was in grade school when bush/gore happened, and i remember not understanding what the was going on, especially with the court getting involved. i just remember my dad (current trumper, for reference) telling me nothing except gore was trying to cheat, and calling Gore-Lieberman Sore-Loserman

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    what a trip... i was in grade school when bush/gore happened, and i remember not understanding what the was going on, especially with the court getting involved. i just remember my dad (current trumper, for reference) telling me nothing except gore was trying to cheat, and calling Gore-Lieberman Sore-Loserman
    Your dad was smart. Why did you rebel against him?

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    Keep in mind that when you change a procedure that you consider is in your current political best interest it can always backfire. Harry Reid learned that the hard way when he went nuclear in 2013 on Federal judge appointments. The Republicans have crammed that decision up his ass ever since.
    Well, I'm not really considering the political advantage, I'm considering the equal balance. With that said, I don't see how the two scenarios are similar. Population and demographics don't shift substantially back and forth every four years like with elections.

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    Your dad was smart. Why did you rebel against him?
    oh, the more i read the more i learned. simple stuff like even understanding how marginal tax brackets work (something i had to even walk you through, not that long ago)

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    oh, the more i read the more i learned. simple stuff like even understanding how marginal tax brackets work (something i had to even walk you through, not that long ago)
    derp's education

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    The funny thing about this argument from them is that the EC favors their party. It's only when they run incredibly ty candidates like Gore & Hillary that they have a problem with it.
    "It's only when the Democrats win the popular vote with ty candidates that the EC doesn't favor them."

    Solid take.

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    oh, the more i read the more i learned. simple stuff like even understanding how marginal tax brackets work (something i had to even walk you through, not that long ago)
    Dems and Repubs enable the rich to eat the poor, tbh.

    I don't even like Bush; but your dad was right about Gore's antics.

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    Blake impressions won't get you the tiny w's you crave, tbh.

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    Blake impressions won't get you the tiny w's you crave, tbh.
    You're nowhere near as intelligent as you want people here to think and it burns you up inside.

    Now use some big words to compensate.

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    oh, the more i read the more i learned. simple stuff like even understanding how marginal tax brackets work (something i had to even walk you through, not that long ago)
    I remember the convo but not exactly what your thoughts were on that. Give me a refresher.

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    I remember the convo but not exactly what your thoughts were on that. Give me a refresher.

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