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    Exciting development, amirite?
    For you, for sure.

    I'm just in it for entertainment. I have always held the believe that Biden and Bernie are the only true contenders in this race that can actually win against Trump. It's true.

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    For you, for sure.

    I'm just in it for entertainment. I have always held the believe that Biden and Bernie are the only true contenders in this race that can actually win against Trump. It's true.
    You're already hedging against a Bernie nomination.

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    You're already hedging against a Bernie nomination.
    Since I'm your number 1 obessesion you should know that has been my view from the start.

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    Since I'm your number 1 obessesion you should know that has been my view from the start.
    Gonna be funny that you'll be a closet Trump supporter once Commie Cuck wins the nomination.

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    Gonna be funny that you'll be a closet Trump supporter once Commie Cuck wins the nomination.
    Would rather slit my throat than vote for Trump under any circustances. I've known Trump for longer than most so I already knew he was s before 2015. Ya'll just discovered something every New Yorker already knew.

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    Would rather slit my throat than vote for Trump under any circustances. I've known Trump for longer than most so I already knew he was s before 2015. Ya'll just discovered something every New Yorker already knew.
    That's some epic TDS

    Lol, "I've known Trump for longer than most"

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    That's some epic TDS

    Lol, "I've known Trump for longer than most"
    How is that weird? It's like saying most people know what a bag x is because he's from here and often on the news for being a mega bag. Not that hard to grasp, Darrin

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    Would rather slit my throat than vote for Trump under any circustances. I've known Trump for longer than most so I already knew he was s before 2015. Ya'll just discovered something every New Yorker already knew.
    So you'll take communism for the sake of upholding a grudge?

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    How is that weird? It's like saying most people know what a bag x is because he's from here and often on the news for being a mega bag. Not that hard to grasp, Darrin
    Trump was not an unknown by any means. You acting like you had some great inside scoop was a fun little outburst.

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    Biden looking to be within 10 delegates after tonight.
    I heard Biden is front runner now whether he's ahead on delegates or not.

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    At this point there is hardly any serious evidence to believe that the best strategy to defeat Trump is to mobilize voters with a radical economic agenda. Public satisfaction with the economy is now at its highest point since the peak of the dot-com boom two decades ago. Trump has serious weaknesses of issues like health care, corruption, taxes, and the environment, and a majority of the public disapproves of Trump’s performance, but he does enjoy broad approval of his economic management. Therefore, his reelection strategy revolves around painting his opponents as radical and dangerous. You may not like me, he will argue, but my opponents are going to turn over the apple cart. A Sanders campaign seems almost designed to play directly into Trump’s message.

    Whatever evidence might have supported a Sanders-esque populist strategy for Democrats after the 2016 election, it has since collapsed. But in the ideological hothouse of the Sanders world, no setbacks have been acknowledged, no rethinking has taken place, and the skeptics are dismissed as elitist neoliberal corporate shills, as ever. The project moves forward even as the key tests of its viability have all failed. Once enough energy has been invested in a cause, it has too much momentum to be abandoned. For the socialist left, which has no other standard-bearer to choose from, Bernie is too big to fail. The question is whether the Democratic Party, the only political force standing between Donald Trump and his authoritarian ambitions, will risk failing with him.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/nymag.c...socialism.html

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    Public satisfaction with the economy is now at its highest point since the peak of the dot-com boom two decades ago. (But) Trump has bla bla bla
    If only the great unwashed was as triggered as you, amirite?

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    At this point there is hardly any serious evidence to believe that the best strategy to defeat Trump is to mobilize voters with a radical economic agenda. Public satisfaction with the economy is now at its highest point since the peak of the dot-com boom two decades ago. Trump has serious weaknesses of issues like health care, corruption, taxes, and the environment, and a majority of the public disapproves of Trump’s performance, but he does enjoy broad approval of his economic management. Therefore, his reelection strategy revolves around painting his opponents as radical and dangerous. You may not like me, he will argue, but my opponents are going to turn over the apple cart. A Sanders campaign seems almost designed to play directly into Trump’s message.

    Whatever evidence might have supported a Sanders-esque populist strategy for Democrats after the 2016 election, it has since collapsed. But in the ideological hothouse of the Sanders world, no setbacks have been acknowledged, no rethinking has taken place, and the skeptics are dismissed as elitist neoliberal corporate shills, as ever. The project moves forward even as the key tests of its viability have all failed. Once enough energy has been invested in a cause, it has too much momentum to be abandoned. For the socialist left, which has no other standard-bearer to choose from, Bernie is too big to fail. The question is whether the Democratic Party, the only political force standing between Donald Trump and his authoritarian ambitions, will risk failing with him.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/nymag.c...socialism.html
    It's like, because Trump is easy pickings, the Dems didn't seem to take this election seriously, or maybe they just have a ty field. You knew Bernie would run even though he normally would be unelectable, we didn't know if Shillary would again, apparently not, and then every other candidate that has given it a shot is deeply flawed one way or another.
    The more you get to know them, the less you like them (IMO anyways).

    And if we're being honest here, the economy was already in fairly great shape at the end of the previous administration (note because I know it's coming: this is not to discredit Trump, it goes to the point that follows), and yet the country still voted in an ignorant amateur and seemingly wanted to see the world burn.

    So I'm not really sold about these arguments entirely at this day and age. I get that the economy is frequently a very good indicator, but we also need to acknowledge that what we thought were sure-fire indicators are less so nowadays.

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    It's like, because Trump is easy pickings, the Dems didn't seem to take this election seriously, or maybe they just have a ty field. You knew Bernie would run even though he normally would be unelectable, we didn't know if Shillary would again, apparently not, and then every other candidate that has given it a shot is deeply flawed one way or another.
    The more you get to know them, the less you like them (IMO anyways).

    And if we're being honest here, the economy was already in fairly great shape at the end of the previous administration (note because I know it's coming: this is not to discredit Trump, it goes to the point that follows), and yet the country still voted in an ignorant amateur and seemingly wanted to see the world burn.

    So I'm not really sold about these arguments entirely at this day and age. I get that the economy is frequently a very good indicator, but we also need to acknowledge that what we thought were sure-fire indicators are less so nowadays.
    This argument is frequently made to support an even more extreme ideology on the left side. That apparently didn’t work so well in the mid terms, as the article points out.

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    This argument is frequently made to support an even more extreme ideology on the left side. That apparently didn’t work so well in the mid terms, as the article points out.
    Mid terms are a completely different ballgame, because you don't need everybody to align to the same person. If anything, this is comparable to Shillary '16. It's much more about the cult of personality and basically a popularity contest.

    That's why you end up hearing terms for 'electability', which has much less to do with policy (Trump had none that could be taken seriously), but how that person can drive people to vote.

    And let's not overlook that while moderates might've won seats in the mid terms, some of the more lefties also removed in bent centrist democrats in other areas (ie: AOC walked into Congress this term).

    So it's not about just trying to scrape voters from the center-right, there's plenty of dissatisfaction with same old politicos on the left too. That's also a big reason Shillary lost the rust belt.

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    Mid terms are a completely different ballgame, because you don't need everybody to align to the same person. If anything, this is comparable to Shillary '16. It's much more about the cult of personality and basically a popularity contest.

    That's why you end up hearing terms for 'electability', which has much less to do with policy (Trump had none that could be taken seriously), but how that person can drive people to vote.

    And let's not overlook that while moderates might've won seats in the mid terms, some of the more lefties also removed in bent centrist democrats in other areas (ie: AOC walked into Congress this term).

    So it's not about just trying to scrape voters from the center-right, there's plenty of dissatisfaction with same old politicos on the left too. That's also a big reason Shillary lost the rust belt.
    But AOC represented a liberal district in New York going further left. Not necessarily a good indicator of the rust belt, etc

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    That's why you end up hearing terms for 'electability', which has much less to do with policy Trump had none that could be taken seriously

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    But AOC represented a liberal district in New York going further left. Not necessarily a good indicator of the rust belt, etc
    I know, but the point is there's a section of the left that got tired of the same old center-right bull , enough not to be considered 'radicals' anymore, and actually get people elected to Congress, or in the case of Trump, the WH.

    The Rust Belt was once a relatively solid part of the blue firewall. They're largely manufacturing, union folks, and they got tired of waiting for the center-right globalists to deliver. So there's that tension too, you can't just say it's only the Berniebros.

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    You think everything is a slight on Trump, it isn't. Shillary's platform wasn't any better, she was all about glass ceilings, and the like. The only reason I mentioned Trump is because he actually won the election.

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    You think everything is a slight on Trump, it isn't. Shillary's platform wasn't any better, she was all about glass ceilings, and the like. The only reason I mentioned Trump is because he actually won the election.
    You can take all the slights on Trump you want. I'm sure he deserves a great many. I at the fact that you're so triggered you act like electing Trump came out of nowhere.

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    You can take all the slights on Trump you want. I'm sure he deserves a great many. I at the fact that you're so triggered you act like electing Trump came out of nowhere.
    Never said that. I actually pointed out exactly why a crucial region in Trump's win voted for him.

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    That's some epic TDS

    Lol, "I've known Trump for longer than most"
    Trump is a historically bad President and an obviously corrupt one. Failing to see this is TDS per se.

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    Trump is a man for our times, a sociopathic con artist with a reality TV show.

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    You can take all the slights on Trump you want. I'm sure he deserves a great many. I .
    You are voting for him all in.
    List the things he has done horribly wrong in your opinion.

    I’ll start for you:

    1) Did not secure the border with a 1 Trillion dollar force field
    2) Has not executed trannies or bought you a woman who understands you and asks to be peed on.

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