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    Plug pulled on Biden 'virtual town hall' after technical glitches, miscues


    Lol biden can not run a town hall and people want him to be president
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    You said Obamacare brought us from spending 11% of our gdp on heatlhcare to 17%. Your link says it went from 17.2% in 2009 when the ACA was passed to 17.3% in 2014 when it was implemented to 17.7% in 2018. It was 11% in 1988. I didn't bother reading any of the rest of the post when you started with something so clearly wrong.
    So sad you choose to think I am bashing ACA. It was 12.1% in 2000. I estimated the numbers but the trends are true. We have a healthcare practice problem. We spend plenty of money on healthcare but no one on the left or the right is talking about the real problem. Billions of dollars are spent on tests and medications that are not needed. My argument has a solution that pays more for getting it right and less for getting it wrong. . ACA did not work. Noble cause but bad no caps on charges. The right is doing nothing which is even worse. W
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    It's incredibly naive to think only washing your hands is anywhere near a "solution" to the pandemic. You don't think people in Italy already tried that? What will the difference maker be for the US where they failed?
    People are not washing their hands. They are just getting their hands wet. Try washing your hands for 20 seconds and then look around and see if anyone is getting close to that.
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    People are not washing their hands. They are just getting their hands wet. Try washing your hands for 20 seconds and then look around and see if anyone is getting close to that.
    Pretty much any soap breaks up the fat layer on the outside of it and gets rid of the virus. Can't believe people think hand sanitizer is better. But yeah water doesn't do . Still, you go to a restaurant you're putting yourself at risk. You go anywhere near someone who has it and you might be putting yourself at risk, as there is some controversy whether it's airborne or not. Even if not you still don't have any control whether the person you pass in the parking lot involuntarily coughs within ten feet of you or a positive person picks up the box of cereal you grab at HEB. Washing hands isn't enough to keep from getting the virus, I only do it in the hope of going as long as I can before getting infected because I know for a week I likely wouldn't know and would be extremely contagious and spreading it when I need to go buy food or other supplies. And with exponential growth, unlike with voting , one person actually really does matter.
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    NYC alone has 65k homeless people. The state of California has a population of 151k, most in cities lining its West Coast.
    I have not heard a single Dem politician address what they are doing to protect their most vulnerable population they have ignored for YEARS and most likely to spread Covid-19 if they are sickened!
    Anyone??
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    NYC alone has 65k homeless people. The state of California has a population of 151k, most in cities lining its West Coast.
    I have not heard a single Dem politician address what they are doing to protect their most vulnerable population they have ignored for YEARS and most likely to spread Covid-19 if they are sickened!
    Anyone??
    Nancy living behind her wall.
    Newsom. Has the f-er ever worked a day in his life?

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    I only wish, people will take Corona Virus seriously and stop beeing political. Its not important who was right or wrong, it only matters what happens from here on out. Everything screams right now, that the US is not prepared for whats coming, and people dont seem to care. The US population ist 327 Millions? If only half gets infected (and thats optimistic with the current situation), and only 1% of them die (which is also optimistic), the US will have 1,65 Million dead People in few months. Not a good outlook i would say.
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    It's incredibly naive to think only washing your hands is anywhere near a "solution" to the pandemic. You don't think people in Italy already tried that? What will the difference maker be for the US where they failed?
    Way to latch on to that one thing. of course that isn't there only thing.
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    I only wish, people will take Corona Virus seriously and stop beeing political. Its not important who was right or wrong, it only matters what happens from here on out. Everything screams right now, that the US is not prepared for whats coming, and people dont seem to care. The US population ist 327 Millions? If only half gets infected (and thats optimistic with the current situation), and only 1% of them die (which is also optimistic), the US will have 1,65 Million dead People in few months. Not a good outlook i would say.
    Deaths in us of flu 8200. Deaths in china by corona 3200....
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    Deaths in us of flu 8200. Deaths in china by corona 3200....
    Apples to oranges...the flu season dies down, vaccines, antivirals, "some" immunity, etc...this virus is still an unknown it may or may not run its course like the flu, there is no vaccine, no medication for it, our best defense against this virus is our own immune system...and just an FYI today I eval a pt 30ish y/o male non smoker no h/o of drug abuse and no underlying health conditions intubated and with mechanical ventilation...and for those of you tossing numbers/percentages around...I'll make sure to let his wife and 8 mo baby daughter know his odds...honestly numbers don't mean a damn thing when you're the one hanging on to dear life.
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    Deaths in us of flu 8200. Deaths in china by corona 3200....
    What number do you need before you care? You are such a bitter person.
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    Apples to oranges...the flu season dies down, vaccines, antivirals, "some" immunity, etc...this virus is still an unknown it may or may not run its course like the flu, there is no vaccine, no medication for it, our best defense against this virus is our own immune system...and just an FYI today I eval a pt 30ish y/o male non smoker no h/o of drug abuse and no underlying health conditions intubated and with mechanical ventilation...and for those of you tossing numbers/percentages around...I'll make sure to let his wife and 8 mo baby daughter know his odds...honestly numbers don't mean a damn thing when you're the one hanging on to dear life.
    The people on here who need to hear that message are brain dead; they’re world renowned scholars of message boarding and attention seekers! May God bless that family........
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    Tired of these threads and news about Pop and POTUS. Pop is just like us with his opinions on the subject at hand. We don’t typically contribute with our 2 cents. Unfortunately he’s just like any subordinate with a big opinion yet hardly a real solution. Please Pop shut the up already. So Steven Adams likes how your hair smells... so what? Let the big boys deal with this unless you have a solution. “Shut up and coach!”
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    Gobert pledges $500,000 to help with relief, NBA shutdown

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    I’ve no love for either Trump or democrats, this whole political bull should be irrelevant in such a serious situation, however it is true the US acted quicker and better than european countries did and while there will likely be way more infected and dead it looks better for the US compared to Italy or Spain.

    Just a few weeks ago, with tens of cases of CoViD, italian mayors were openly advocating for people to go out and keep living as if this doesn’t exist, there was a hug-a-chinese campaign, etc. I’d hope these mayors and business owners would face legal consequences once this is over, hopefully soon.
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    ^euro cope. get a mask bro and by bro I mean never my bro
    Bro? No way we could be related, I'm way under 200 lbs, fit, highly educated, I speak several languages, I know my geography and history.

    Yep, I'll cope with good food and wine. Go cope with your Chipotle, Mc donald, Subway and other chain restaurants with your other obese bros telling yourselves that there is no need to be cautions about the coronavirus. I never understood people who don't want to take measures to avoid disasters. I really hope that the virus doesn't spread in the US and that the numbers are real but with only 26 tests per million people so one of the lowest in the world it is hard to have a real picture of what's happening in your country.
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    Bro? No way we could be related, I'm way under 200 lbs, fit, highly educated, I speak several languages, I know my geography and history.

    Yep, I'll cope with good food and wine. Go cope with your Chipotle, Mc donald, Subway and other chain restaurants with your other obese bros telling yourselves that there is no need to be cautions about the coronavirus. I never understood people who don't want to take measures to avoid disasters. I really hope that the virus doesn't spread in the US and that the numbers are real but with only 26 tests per million people so one of the lowest in the world it is hard to have a real picture of what's happening in your country.
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    Bro? No way we could be related, I'm way under 200 lbs, fit, highly educated, I speak several languages, I know my geography and history.

    Yep, I'll cope with good food and wine. Go cope with your Chipotle, Mc donald, Subway and other chain restaurants with your other obese bros telling yourselves that there is no need to be cautions about the coronavirus. I never understood people who don't want to take measures to avoid disasters. I really hope that the virus doesn't spread in the US and that the numbers are real but with only 26 tests per million people so one of the lowest in the world it is hard to have a real picture of what's happening in your country.
    just woke up. Still the lowest infected/death rate in the developed world while your diseased cesspool across the pond is in full panic mode

    have fun traveling when more countries ban you from entering
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    just woke up. Still the lowest infected/death rate in the developed world while your diseased cesspool across the pond is in full panic mode

    have fun traveling when more countries ban you from entering
    You’re seriously the next level of stupid to try and lean on the lowest level of infection as some legitimate statistical measure considering testing is non existent. You just don’t get it.

    With this logic as long as you’ve never been tested for an STD you shouldn’t wear a condom. Because not being tested is as good as being clean.

    It’s hard to believe just how incredibly stupid you are.
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    just woke up. Still the lowest infected/death rate in the developed world while your diseased cesspool across the pond is in full panic mode

    have fun traveling when more countries ban you from entering
    Are you that stupid? if you don’t test people, for sure you won’t find them infected. Man, You are the perfect example of the Dump supporter.

    https://www.google.fr/amp/s/thehill....virus-in%3famp

    yes, when this is over I’ll travel to other european countries while your exotic weekends will be Tulsa, Fayetteville and other middle of nowhere towns.
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    But but but... lowest infection rate.


    From North Carolina

    As of March 14 at 8:00 a.m., the state of North Carolina has a total of 680 public (i.e., non-commercial) coronavirus test kits.

    So the big question is, “Why don’t we have more tests?”

    Here’s the situation:

    First, there’s a difference between “test kits” and “extraction kits.”

    Extraction kits = extract RNA (genetic material) from nasal swabs.

    Test kits = test RNA to see if it’s coronavirus.

    We started with a national shortage of test kits. That happened because the CDC - after rejecting the WHO kits and deciding to make their own - had a manufacturing error that allowed their test kit to produce false positives. So they had to start over several weeks in.

    To make matters worse, while the CDC was fixing their manufacturing error there were many other labs across the country (academic and commercial labs) that wanted to produce their own test kits. But they needed federal approval to move forward, and getting that approval took a couple weeks - a serious amount of time, given the prospect of exponential viral spread.

    It appears we are now seeing the production of test kits ramp up from both the CDC and commercial labs like LabCorp (which happens to be headquartered here in North Carolina).

    BUT that leads us to our second problem, and the current major bottleneck: extraction kits.

    Before you can test the RNA sample from the nasal swab, you have to extract it. Doing so requires a specific chemical. The majority of this specific chemical (called a reagent) is produced by one company with production facilities in Germany and Spain.

    And now that specific chemical is in very high demand. The whole world wants it.

    A few weeks ago, the FDA started allowing independent labs to develop alternate chemical processes for RNA extraction. It’s unclear how much progress has been made.

    So, looking now at the big picture, we basically have a two-track testing system: public testing, which involves our main state lab in NC using the re-manufactured CDC test kits (and in NC, we currently have 680 test kits) and then there’s commercial testing.

    Regarding commercial testing, we really don’t know how much is happening. The commercial labs aren’t required to disclose test results unless they’re positive. In North Carolina, we have LabCorp conducting commercial tests. In Charlotte, we also have our two major hospital systems - Atrium and Novant - now saying that they are going to provide “screening.” It’s unclear whether they are simply collecting swabs and sending them to LabCorp (where they may face the same extraction kit bottleneck) or whether they’ve developed in-house capacity to actually produce their own test results.

    But it’s important to note that BOTH public and commercial testing appear to be hitting a bottleneck when it comes to extraction.

    As a result, we are not screening nearly enough people.

    Ideally, anyone who displays flu-like symptoms would be eligible for a public test, free of charge. That’s how we would address this like South Korea and provide for wide-scale testing on the order of tens of thousands per day.

    But - due to the shortage - that’s not the case. Instead, the CDC guidelines (which NC is currently following) currently state that you have to 1) display flu-like symptoms AND have had direct contact with a confirmed COVID-19 case OR, 2) you have to display flu-like symptoms AND lower respiratory symptoms (cough, shortness of breath) AND a negative rapid flu test.

    A simpler way to say that is we are currently rationing public tests because we don’t have enough capacity.

    Congress is now providing more funding specifically for these issues and commercial labs are reportedly innovating rapidly, but this is essentially a race against time and increasing our testing capacity within the next ten days is absolutely critical. It’s also possible that the window of opportunity for containment - at least in some regions - is now closed and we’re going to have to rely heavily on social distancing to slow the rate of infection.

    You should also know that in the process of piecing this together I had many, many conversations with state and local health officials and every single one of them was on the same page, knew exactly what the bottlenecks were, and were working the problem. These folks get it, and they’re working around the clock for us.

    More updates soon,

    Sen. Jeff Jackson
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    Bro? No way we could be related, I'm way under 200 lbs, fit, highly educated, I speak several languages, I know my geography and history.

    Yep, I'll cope with good food and wine. Go cope with your Chipotle, Mc donald, Subway and other chain restaurants with your other obese bros telling yourselves that there is no need to be cautions about the coronavirus. I never understood people who don't want to take measures to avoid disasters. I really hope that the virus doesn't spread in the US and that the numbers are real but with only 26 tests per million people so one of the lowest in the world it is hard to have a real picture of what's happening in your country.
    Sadly in the US the exponent in our exponential growth of deaths (specificially a in the term e^(ax)) is actually tracking higher than Italy's is. At least Seattle is right on track for an Italy level disaster and I can't believe there hasn't been a quarantine of the city yet.
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    You’re seriously the next level of stupid to try and lean on the lowest level of infection as some legitimate statistical measure considering testing is non existent. You just don’t get it.

    With this logic as long as you’ve never been tested for an STD you shouldn’t wear a condom. Because not being tested is as good as being clean.

    It’s hard to believe just how incredibly stupid you are.
    Are you that stupid? if you don’t test people, for sure you won’t find them infected. Man, You are the perfect example of the Dump supporter.

    https://www.google.fr/amp/s/thehill....virus-in%3famp

    yes, when this is over I’ll travel to other european countries while your exotic weekends will be Tulsa, Fayetteville and other middle of nowhere towns.
    But but but... lowest infection rate.


    From North Carolina

    As of March 14 at 8:00 a.m., the state of North Carolina has a total of 680 public (i.e., non-commercial) coronavirus test kits.

    So the big question is, “Why don’t we have more tests?”

    Here’s the situation:

    First, there’s a difference between “test kits” and “extraction kits.”

    Extraction kits = extract RNA (genetic material) from nasal swabs.

    Test kits = test RNA to see if it’s coronavirus.

    We started with a national shortage of test kits. That happened because the CDC - after rejecting the WHO kits and deciding to make their own - had a manufacturing error that allowed their test kit to produce false positives. So they had to start over several weeks in.

    To make matters worse, while the CDC was fixing their manufacturing error there were many other labs across the country (academic and commercial labs) that wanted to produce their own test kits. But they needed federal approval to move forward, and getting that approval took a couple weeks - a serious amount of time, given the prospect of exponential viral spread.

    It appears we are now seeing the production of test kits ramp up from both the CDC and commercial labs like LabCorp (which happens to be headquartered here in North Carolina).

    BUT that leads us to our second problem, and the current major bottleneck: extraction kits.

    Before you can test the RNA sample from the nasal swab, you have to extract it. Doing so requires a specific chemical. The majority of this specific chemical (called a reagent) is produced by one company with production facilities in Germany and Spain.

    And now that specific chemical is in very high demand. The whole world wants it.

    A few weeks ago, the FDA started allowing independent labs to develop alternate chemical processes for RNA extraction. It’s unclear how much progress has been made.

    So, looking now at the big picture, we basically have a two-track testing system: public testing, which involves our main state lab in NC using the re-manufactured CDC test kits (and in NC, we currently have 680 test kits) and then there’s commercial testing.

    Regarding commercial testing, we really don’t know how much is happening. The commercial labs aren’t required to disclose test results unless they’re positive. In North Carolina, we have LabCorp conducting commercial tests. In Charlotte, we also have our two major hospital systems - Atrium and Novant - now saying that they are going to provide “screening.” It’s unclear whether they are simply collecting swabs and sending them to LabCorp (where they may face the same extraction kit bottleneck) or whether they’ve developed in-house capacity to actually produce their own test results.

    But it’s important to note that BOTH public and commercial testing appear to be hitting a bottleneck when it comes to extraction.

    As a result, we are not screening nearly enough people.

    Ideally, anyone who displays flu-like symptoms would be eligible for a public test, free of charge. That’s how we would address this like South Korea and provide for wide-scale testing on the order of tens of thousands per day.

    But - due to the shortage - that’s not the case. Instead, the CDC guidelines (which NC is currently following) currently state that you have to 1) display flu-like symptoms AND have had direct contact with a confirmed COVID-19 case OR, 2) you have to display flu-like symptoms AND lower respiratory symptoms (cough, shortness of breath) AND a negative rapid flu test.

    A simpler way to say that is we are currently rationing public tests because we don’t have enough capacity.

    Congress is now providing more funding specifically for these issues and commercial labs are reportedly innovating rapidly, but this is essentially a race against time and increasing our testing capacity within the next ten days is absolutely critical. It’s also possible that the window of opportunity for containment - at least in some regions - is now closed and we’re going to have to rely heavily on social distancing to slow the rate of infection.

    You should also know that in the process of piecing this together I had many, many conversations with state and local health officials and every single one of them was on the same page, knew exactly what the bottlenecks were, and were working the problem. These folks get it, and they’re working around the clock for us.

    More updates soon,

    Sen. Jeff Jackson
    Sadly in the US the exponent in our exponential growth of deaths (specificially a in the term e^(ax)) is actually tracking higher than Italy's is. At least Seattle is right on track for an Italy level disaster and I can't believe there hasn't been a quarantine of the city yet.
    a week later we’re still at 50 deaths. Whip out the calculator and keep wishing for millions of American deaths you psychopaths.

    europeans can quarantine and not work for a month because they’re used to being reliant on state welfare. don’t worry frenchfred, my passport will get some run once this media driven hysteria blows over
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    Sadly in the US the exponent in our exponential growth of deaths (specificially a in the term e^(ax)) is actually tracking higher than Italy's is. At least Seattle is right on track for an Italy level disaster and I can't believe there hasn't been a quarantine of the city yet.
    Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. Exponential growth is something hard to understand for the average person.
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    a week later we’re still at 50 deaths. Whip out the calculator and keep wishing for millions of American deaths you psychopaths.

    europeans can quarantine and not work for a month because they’re used to being reliant on state welfare. don’t worry frenchfred, my passport will get some run once this media driven hysteria blows over
    yes, you know more than doctors at John Hopkins hospital, like I said, you are just like Dump; facts don't apply to you.

    Here is what I said before: " I really hope that the virus doesn't spread in the US" but call me psychopath if you want; I'm not the one being careless right now. Just like your idol Dump who ate food while consoling shooting victims.
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