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    1.9 million ICU admissions over two months.

    320K free beds.

    Assume hospitalization requirement is one week for urgent care.

    1.9M people divided by eight weeks, implies a need of roughly 237,000 hospital beds. IF that 1.9M were infected at an even pace. IF "hospital bed" = 100% respirator and specialized care fore every hospital bed.

    Neither of those "ifs" represent reality. The need for ventilator support will be one in five, per the graph. Not sure what the ratio of beds to support is right now, but my recent visit to the hospital last week didn't note that much equipment in the rooms. Probably some in storage, but that means at the peak, we will be facing the same problems as Italy, i.e. shortage of equipment.

    Given bell shaped curves, let's assume that about 1/3 of the infections will occur simultaneously at the peak. 32,000,000 * .05 = Peak need around 1,600,000, or five times capacity.

    Cases requiring ventilatory support is one percent, or 320,000. Assume that ratio of ventilators to beds is roughly 1:5. of these 320,000, there will only be 62,000 ventilators.

    Assume lack of ventilator is 50% fatal. My gut says this figure is too low, but for the sake of walkthrough.

    320000-62000= 256000 * .5 = 125000 extra deaths from shortage of equipment.

    Given the recent superspreading event, going to guess the peak is going to be a bit taller.

    The delays in testing, and delays in implementing measures due to the delays in testing will cause that peak to be higher than it would have been otherwise as virus spreads undetected.

    Trump's incompetence can argued to cause at hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths.

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    Coming soon to a hospital near you: death panels.

    already in Lombardy, a triage selecting against those very sick to let die and for those less sick saveable

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    The Capitalists who bought up old peoples' home for the (Medicare, Medicaid) cash flow are worried their old golden geese will die off

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    ask puerto ricans if trump is the leader you need in an emergency...


    we witnessed trump praising himself over the puerto rico nightmare-
    as puerto ricans died (3,000 plus. - dead)

    now the continental usa citizens will die while trump and his fellators praise trump
    3,000 plus dead in Rico.
    59 dead of Corona.

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    3,000 plus dead in Rico.
    59 dead of Corona.
    Will you move the goalpost when the number passes 3000?

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    That was brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
    Does not compute

    1. Trump was put into office by Russia
    2. Trump can coerce the entire nation of people who don't want him in office by saying "no big deal"
    3. That drives everyone to act like idiots and flood stores as if the zombie apocalypse is upon us.
    4. Congress, especially the left, was tied up for years on an impeachment witch hunt power move by the left that overlapped the virus introduction.

    Is Pelosi handing out Coronavirus pens now?

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    Does not compute
    You said Trump has handled this situation well.

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    You said Trump has handled this situation well.
    He did
    We didn't

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    Will you move the goalpost when the number passes 3000?
    Don't be jealous of 59, Dumps. It's unbecoming.

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    He did
    We didn't
    D M C

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    forever blameless

    Did Trump make any false or misleading statements about this situation in the past six weeks?

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    forever blameless

    Did Trump make any false or misleading statements about this situation in the past six weeks?
    You going to keep dissecting my responses to create the narrative you want? (speaking of false and misleading)


    I said

    He did
    We didn't

    All politicians make false and misleading statements.

    What statements did Trump make that led to people panicking?

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    Number of Coronavirus deaths in America in 2020: 59
    Number of murders in ONE city (Chicago) in 2020: 86
    Oh hey a fallacy

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    You going to keep dissecting my responses to create the narrative you want? (speaking of false and misleading)


    I said

    He did
    We didn't

    All politicians make false and misleading statements.

    What statements did Trump make that led to people panicking?
    All the misleading statements made in the past two months then swerving into national emergency certainly contributed to the current panic.

    Again, did Trump make any false or misleading statements about this situation in the past six weeks?

    Not every politician did and only Trump is president.

    Just answer. It's not a trick question.

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    Oh hey a fallacy
    Neat. Good catch.

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    He did
    We didn't
    no

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    Neat. Good catch.
    Just trying to help the crazy old fella out

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    This is why here isn't going to improve anytime soon. These stay home policies with kids and young people will exacerbate things if everything else is open. People my age (18-30) have been taking to social media acting like they have an extended Spring Break and are still going to bars, restaurants, malls, beaches, and resorts.

    I passed through La Cantera yesterday, and it was packed - especially the restaurants (smh Fat Antonio).
    I bet 100s, or more, of Krugman's American "zombie companies" kept alive by low interest loans will now fail.
    Last edited by boutons_deux; 03-15-2020 at 12:18 PM.

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    All the misleading statements made in the past two months then swerving into national emergency certainly contributed to the current panic.
    Give an example of a misleading statement that led to panic.
    Again, did Trump make any false or misleading statements about this situation in the past six weeks?
    Of course he did. How did they lead to panic?
    Not every politician did and only Trump is president.
    Interesting that everything he said about the Ukraine and Russia relationship was dismissed by the left but suddenly you expected him, a day out of impeachment turmoil, to steadily guide the nation? Maybe stop trying to back a coup and let the guy do his job. Otherwise you deserve what you get.

    We saw even worse panicking after the 2016 election. Was that because of misleading statements by Trump?

    Just answer. It's not a trick question.
    I have answered and unlike you, I don't dissect your response to just things I think I can pin you down on, because unlike you I am an honest broker.

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    Trump clean
    Trudeau, not so much

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    Just trying to help the crazy old fella out
    It's actually more murders than he listed but it's Chicago and mostly black on black crime so it cannot be a talking point.

    It's called Reductio ad Blackium

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    You going to keep dissecting my responses to create the narrative you want? (speaking of false and misleading)


    I said

    He did
    We didn't

    All politicians make false and misleading statements.

    What statements did Trump make that led to people panicking?
    Oh hey a fallacy

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    Of course he did.

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