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    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

    This is probably the most comprehensive info site out there, and seems to be updated regularly.

    Please post other legit sites if they have different tools or metrics.
    Fake coronavirus outbreak maps are floating around online, spreading malware
    https://www.dailydot.com/debug/coron...-maps-malware/

    Link in the OP is the right one, but everybody should be careful when trying to find this info.

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    They are going to polish this turd hard.
    Double and triple down on Trump's incompetence, contempt for the law and uncaring self-absorption. Nothing else to do but support the creepy leader cult.

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    No, the White House didn’t ‘dissolve’ its pandemic response office. I was there.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...sponse-office/
    "senior fellow at the Hudson ins ute"

    Sure buddy.

    i think that is the way you tend to treat info right? ad hominem?

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    "senior fellow at the Hudson ins ute"

    Sure buddy.

    i think that is the way you tend to treat info right? ad hominem?
    So, now the fact is in the lurch.

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    I got no problem answering that query..."No, it was not a good idea."
    If true. If Trump did indeed fire the pandemic team.

    That assumption is in doubt now.

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    The Trump administration fired the U.S. pandemic response team in 2018 to cut costs.

    True
    About this rating

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tr...pandemic-team/

    Legum outlined a series of cost-cutting decisions made by the Trump administration in preceding years that had gutted the nation’s infectious disease defense infrastructure. The “pandemic response team” firing claim referred to news accounts from Spring 2018 reporting that White House officials tasked with directing a national response to a pandemic had been ousted.

    Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer abruptly departed from his post leading the global health security team on the National Security Council in May 2018 amid a reorganization of the council by then-National Security Advisor John Bolton, and Ziemer’s team was disbanded. Tom Bossert, whom the Washington Post reported “had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks,” had been fired one month prior.

    It’s thus true that the Trump administration axed the executive branch team responsible for coordinating a response to a pandemic and did not replace it, eliminating Ziemer’s position and reassigning others, although Bolton was the executive at the top of the National Security Council chain of command at the time.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/mormonpolit...e_of_pandemic/

    https://www.hstoday.us/subject-matte...xits-abruptly/

    The top White House official responsible for leading the U.S. response in the event of a deadly pandemic has left the administration, and the global health security team he oversaw has been disbanded under a reorganization by national security adviser John Bolton.

    The abrupt departure of Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer from the National Security Council means no senior administration official is now focused solely on global health security. Ziemer’s departure, along with the breakup of his team, comes at a time when many experts say the country is already underprepared for the increasing risks of a pandemic or bioterrorism attack.

    Ziemer’s last day was Tuesday, the same day a new Ebola outbreak was declared in Congo. He is not being replaced.

    Pandemic preparedness and global health security are issues that require government-wide responses, experts say, as well as the leadership of a high-ranking official within the White House who is assigned only this role.
    It checks out you lying sacks of .

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    If true. If Trump did indeed fire the pandemic team.

    That assumption is in doubt now.
    Not really an assumption. It is a verifiable fact that Trump fired the team as a cost cutting measure. It was not replaced.

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    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/hudson-ins ute/

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    If true. If Trump did indeed fire the pandemic team.

    That assumption is in doubt now.
    he, himself said that he did

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    Double and triple down on Trump's incompetence, contempt for the law and uncaring self-absorption. Nothing else to do but support the creepy leader cult.
    Neither one of them looked past the headline. It said something that made Trump look less like a ing idiot, so they lapped up the vomitus, without critical thinking.

    I remember this news bit very specifically, and thought at the time it was ing dumb.

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    No, the White House didn’t ‘dissolve’ its pandemic response office. I was there.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...sponse-office/
    Because I led the very directorate assigned that mission, the counterproliferation and biodefense office, for a year and then handed it off to another official who still holds the post, I know the charge is specious.
    Trump-appointed former NSC Director disputes accusations that the team he lead was understaffed, because of course he does.

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    he, himself said that he did


    He bragged about the cuts, just last month.

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    boom!

    good luck getting an honest answer...
    Darrin educated himself on the subject and changed his mind. Trying to on him is a really ing stupid thing to do.

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    I got no problem answering that query..."No, it was not a good idea."
    Honesty. Props.

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    Darrin educated himself on the subject and changed his mind. Trying to on him is a really ing stupid thing to do.
    No, I am genuinely impressed. Baby steps.

    Like admitting that saying we should let kids starve might be a ty thing to say. Just sayin

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    Neither one of them looked past the headline. It said something that made Trump look less like a ing idiot, so they lapped up the vomitus, without critical thinking.

    I remember this news bit very specifically, and thought at the time it was ing dumb.
    Clearly you didn’t read past the headline.

    “ It has been alleged by multiple officials of the Obama administration, including in The Post, that the president and his then-national security adviser, John Bolton, “dissolved the office” at the White House in charge of pandemic preparedness. Because I led the very directorate assigned that mission, the counterproliferation and biodefense office, for a year and then handed it off to another official who still holds the post, I know the charge is specious.”

    “ When I joined the National Security Council staff in 2018, I inherited a strong and skilled staff in the counterproliferation and biodefense directorate. This team of national experts together drafted the National Biodefense Strategy of 2018 and an accompanying national security presidential memorandum to implement it; an executive order to modernize influenza vaccines; and coordinated the United States’ response to the Ebola epidemic in Congo, which was ultimately defeated in 2020.”

    “ One such move at the NSC was to create the counterproliferation and biodefense directorate, which was the result of consolidating three directorates into one, given the obvious overlap between arms control and nonproliferation, weapons of mass destruction terrorism, and global health and biodefense. It is this reorganization that critics have misconstrued or intentionally misrepresented. If anything, the combined directorate was stronger because related expertise could be commingled.

    The reduction of force in the NSC has continued since I departed the White House. But it has left the biodefense staff unaffected — perhaps a recognition of the importance of that mission to the president, who, after all, in 2018 issued a presidential memorandum to finally create real accountability in the federal government’s expansive biodefense system.“

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    Clearly you didn’t read past the headline.

    “ It has been alleged by multiple officials of the Obama administration, including in The Post, that the president and his then-national security adviser, John Bolton, “dissolved the office” at the White House in charge of pandemic preparedness. Because I led the very directorate assigned that mission, the counterproliferation and biodefense office, for a year and then handed it off to another official who still holds the post, I know the charge is specious.”

    “ When I joined the National Security Council staff in 2018, I inherited a strong and skilled staff in the counterproliferation and biodefense directorate. This team of national experts together drafted the National Biodefense Strategy of 2018 and an accompanying national security presidential memorandum to implement it; an executive order to modernize influenza vaccines; and coordinated the United States’ response to the Ebola epidemic in Congo, which was ultimately defeated in 2020.”

    “ One such move at the NSC was to create the counterproliferation and biodefense directorate, which was the result of consolidating three directorates into one, given the obvious overlap between arms control and nonproliferation, weapons of mass destruction terrorism, and global health and biodefense. It is this reorganization that critics have misconstrued or intentionally misrepresented. If anything, the combined directorate was stronger because related expertise could be commingled.

    The reduction of force in the NSC has continued since I departed the White House. But it has left the biodefense staff unaffected — perhaps a recognition of the importance of that mission to the president, who, after all, in 2018 issued a presidential memorandum to finally create real accountability in the federal government’s expansive biodefense system.“
    Yes, I read it. Nice try.

    It is a self-serving apologia that is more than contradicted by other accounts, and Trump himself.



    He bragged about the cuts, just last month.

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    Again, if true. There is doubt now on that assertion.

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    Yes, I read it. Nice try.

    It is a self-serving apologia that is more than contradicted by other accounts, and Trump himself.



    He bragged about the cuts, just last month.
    You truly believe the US has no biodefense team at the NSC?

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    Darrin educated himself on the subject and changed his mind. Trying to on him is a really ing stupid thing to do.
    maybe on that ONE issue - the virus response -

    sure

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    maybe on that ONE issue - the virus response -

    sure
    Who cares. That was a respectable move. Why are you piling on like got?

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    Clearly you didn’t read past the headline.

    “ It has been alleged by multiple officials of the Obama administration, including in The Post, that the president and his then-national security adviser, John Bolton, “dissolved the office” at the White House in charge of pandemic preparedness. Because I led the very directorate assigned that mission, the counterproliferation and biodefense office, for a year and then handed it off to another official who still holds the post, I know the charge is specious.”

    “ When I joined the National Security Council staff in 2018, I inherited a strong and skilled staff in the counterproliferation and biodefense directorate. This team of national experts together drafted the National Biodefense Strategy of 2018 and an accompanying national security presidential memorandum to implement it; an executive order to modernize influenza vaccines; and coordinated the United States’ response to the Ebola epidemic in Congo, which was ultimately defeated in 2020.”

    “ One such move at the NSC was to create the counterproliferation and biodefense directorate, which was the result of consolidating three directorates into one, given the obvious overlap between arms control and nonproliferation, weapons of mass destruction terrorism, and global health and biodefense. It is this reorganization that critics have misconstrued or intentionally misrepresented. If anything, the combined directorate was stronger because related expertise could be commingled.

    The reduction of force in the NSC has continued since I departed the White House. But it has left the biodefense staff unaffected — perhaps a recognition of the importance of that mission to the president, who, after all, in 2018 issued a presidential memorandum to finally create real accountability in the federal government’s expansive biodefense system.“
    So who is accountable for the current show?

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    You truly believe the US has no biodefense team at the NSC?
    Who is it?

    I'd love to see an org chart.

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    Who cares. That was a respectable move. Why are you piling on like got?
    What are you his boyfriend?

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    You truly believe the US has no biodefense team at the NSC?
    Provide an org chart of the pandemic response unit. You really believe Trump is competent?

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    Trump blah blah blah

    yeah fired blah blah blah

    Yeah and the right blah blah blah

    Yeah I agree, and Trump blah blah blah

    Ok. I did my part.

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