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According to the big brains this is proof that you should never be arrested for those crimes.
I have familia in Vietnam and they confirmed this. if you are suspected to be infected or show mild symptoms they immediately take you away
I know it sucks but thats how they reduced their infections. Ppl in china and gietnam have to actually hide their symptoms so they are not taken
According to the big brains this is proof that you should never be arrested for those crimes.
Can't believe there was a primary held today.
UK is about to get completely ing hammered
Porton Johnson ed up bigly
he first picked the Herd Immunity strategy. but after experts told him it would result in hundreds of thousands of dead and complete collapse of UK medical system. he backtracked and chose shutdow.
too late. UK will be Italy in 10 days
here is q graph of how bad UK medical system will get hit
the red line is the # of hospital beds. the other curves is whats coming
I really can't wrap my head around UK gov actions thus far.
It's as if the only purpose it serves is for our president to point to it as the true example of failure to make us look better in comparison.
Herd immunity for people under a certain age combined with elderly quarantined is a good strategy. Following that a slow release of the elderly. The people that survive can all donate blood which will help the elderly fight the virus.
unless you take the above 70 year olds like Hitler did Jews and put them in concentration camps, I dont think that strategy is doable. and thats even more risky as if infection occurs in the concentration camp, it would be brutal massacre
thats why probably its ful shutdown or bust.
I think that elderly care facility being ravaged a few weeks ago in seattle was a wake up call for Us but also UK
Boris Johnson Jokes With CEOs That Ventilator Crisis Should Be Called
'Operation Last Gasp'
https://gizmodo.com/boris-johnson-jo...ign=2020-03-17
COVID-19 spread is fueled by 'stealth transmission'
people with COVID-19 who didn't get diagnosed, likely because they didn't feel very sick, were the source of at least two-thirds of do ented COVID-19 cases in China in the early days of the outbreak.
"The explosion of COVID-19 cases in China was largely driven by individuals with mild, limited, or no symptoms who went undetected,"
"Undetected cases can expose a far greater portion of the population to [the] virus than would otherwise occur. …
These 'stealth transmissions' will continue to present a major challenge to the containment of this outbreak
prior to the lockdown of Wuhan on Jan. 23,
about 86% of all COVID-19 infections in China were undetected.
In other words,
for every confirmed case of COVID-19, there were six undetected cases,
the number of cases worldwide could be five to 10 times higher than what has been reported, meaning
the true number of cases could be higher than 1.5 million,
After China implemented the lockdown on Wuhan, officials were able to detect the majority of cases, 65%, and reduce the spread of the disease.
The findings suggest "a radical increase in the identification and isolation of currently undo ented infections would be needed to fully control SARS-CoV-2,"
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-undiagnosed-spread.html?utm_source=Selligent&utm_medium=email& utm_campaign=15362&utm_content=20200317_Coronaviru s_Infographic+&utm_term=194127&m_i=zsAzaEz9lacrZ2g LZmiECiEngld3S5i12CH4AGAqhPj0pe9va6LCNotf7FNEpzVI3 L7Q_Dp9xcM53oq5_XwdN4DEaqEnK4
Covid-19 Is Spreading Far and Wide From People Who Don't Feel Sick
people are regularly spreading covid-19 without having symptoms, either as carriers who experience no or very mild symptoms or before they actually become sick, otherwise known as being presymptomatic.
people are most contagious before and during the first week that symptoms start,
meaning they shed infectious viral particles from their nose and mouth.
other countries have also found substantial evidence of asymptomatic transmission.
around 48 percent of cases transmitted in Singapore and 62 percent of cases in Tianjin, China were spread by presymptomatic people.
can expose a far greater portion of the population to virus than would otherwise occur.”
https://gizmodo.com/covid-19-is-spreading-far-and-wide-from-people-who-dont-1842363183?utm_source=gizmodo_newsletter&utm_mediu m=email&utm_campaign=2020-03-17
ppl thinking this is a conspiracy theory
we will be facing a 25% unemployment, industries completely dead (hotel, sports/music events, cruise, travel), we wont even know if well open schools again and idiots still think its a deep state ploy
Most families can self segregate a few older members. If you live in a mixed age house and can't do that then more people in that particular house have to quarantine. If there was hospitalization data we could "control burn" the virus throughout the younger population and fast track the process.
Full shutdown isn't going to work unless the plan is full shutdown till a vaccine comes out. You need herd immunity or a vaccine.
What's the end game for a full shutdown? Grind the virus to a halt only for it to bloom up later? So periodic full shutdown until a vaccine? No.
Of course not, we'd be doing this for 1-5 years if that was the case. The idea seems to be distancing so as to slow the transmission enough to not completely overwhelm the hospital system like Italy's is, where people who should be savable under ordinary cir stances are killed by it. This thing is contagious enough it's still going to spread just from people going to the grocery store and other necessities, but the endgame is enough Americans get it that transmission starts to slow and then you can open more and more back up until you get to 40% to 70% infection here. And then you just stop worrying about it and treat it like the flu since it probably won't spread like wildfire once that proportion has already had it and developed antibodies. This is the controlled burn.
Assholes Who Ridiculed Preparations For the Covid-19 Pandemic Are Having a Change of Heart
https://gizmodo.com/assholes-who-ridiculed-preparations-for-the-covid-19-pa-1842357421
from ridiculing SFO to "we are all in, gonna be in deep, deep "
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its impossible to quarantine within a household. this was proven in china as 80% of infections happened in same household
also lets not forget retirement homes, elder communities, etc
its impossible to isolate elders unless you round them all up and take them to camps
You remind me of Jude Law in Contagion
What's the timetable for that? A hard shutdown would spread too slowly. The person using the term keeps praising China for how effective it is. Given that context it's a strategy.
Hard shutdowns only make sense once health facilities collapsed. The whole social distancing approach we have now is so we can avoid that.
Unfortunately, states like Washington or New York, like China or Italy, took a while to get this whole thing implemented and are suffering as a result.
The slow burn can last the rest of the year, easily. The whole idea is that the hospital and health system can deal with the infections in an orderly manner.
no end game. its just to slow the bleeding so medical services dont completely collapse
but because of what I said
- we cannot build 20,000 bed hospitals in a week here
- we are still allowing ppl to self isolate
we might still lose our medical services
but again back to “flattening the curve” its basically picking how fast will our services degrade. in 1 week or hopefully in a few months
Did you read the article or just the tweet
Agreed. So it's pointless to praise a hard shutdown.
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