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    Maybe the Army Corps of Engineers could like, build a hospital, or something?

    They need to figure out who in the private sector will receive the shiny new hospital once the pandemic is over, tbh

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    The experts were saying almost from day one that this was worse.

    The ONLY people saying it wasn't any worse than the flu was the Trump administration, then when it became canon, Fox propaganda network. "A lot of people" are idiots, who let that channel do their thinking for them.
    "A lot of people" don't have the luxury of browsing the internet all day at work. Your ascertastion that the ONLY people saying it wasnt worse than the flu is bull . , 3 months ago this virus was not known to science so the ground was fertile for misinformation. I, and many others in my circle are not Trump supporters nor do we watch Fox...and we certainly don't lash out at people with different views. Your continuing preponderance of lumping opposing viewpoints together and labeling them is lazy and dishonest. Stop that .

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    Opinion isnt information.

    Are you really going to equate early opinion with propaganda?
    The opinion last week wasn't that novel coronavirus was about as bad as the common flu -- that was the propaganda, and you pushed it.

    Disinformation then, disinformation now.

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    The opinion last week wasn't that novel coronavirus was about as bad as the common flu -- that was the propaganda, and you pushed it.

    Disinformation then, disinformation now.
    Quote me

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    You know what you said. Last week isn't an early opinion, that's rather late to be a denier, tbh.

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    The experts were saying almost from day one that this was worse.

    The ONLY people saying it wasn't any worse than the flu was the Trump administration, then when it became canon, Fox propaganda network. "A lot of people" are idiots, who let that channel do their thinking for them.
    Most of the world didn’t take this threat seriously enough. Yeah Trump dropped the ball, but so did almost every other world leader. It’s not like the Paris Agreement where Trump is the one big idiot.

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    "A lot of people" don't have the luxury of browsing the internet all day at work. Your ascertastion that the ONLY people saying it wasnt worse than the flu is bull . , 3 months ago this virus was not known to science so the ground was fertile for misinformation. I, and many others in my circle are not Trump supporters nor do we watch Fox...and we certainly don't lash out at people with different views. Your continuing preponderance of lumping opposing viewpoints together and labeling them is lazy and dishonest. Stop that .
    Dude, Fox propaganda network sets the agenda and the talking points, after Trump has uttered it. I have been cooped up with my dad, and have listened to the conservative bubble babble. First the talking heads are saying things, then you hear the echos on talk radio.

    You probably don't watch Fox propaganda network news. You might not listen to talk radio. But these things are part of the echo chamber. The game of telephone until what ever source you DO watch or listen to picks it up, because it becomes some sort of dogma or canon.

    I repeat the ONLY people saying it was "just the flu' was the administration trying to downplay the severity, because Trump doesn't listen to briefings, and didn't wan't to be bothered with bad news. Trump said it, Fox news amplified it, and that was that.

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    Most of the world didn’t take this threat seriously enough. Yeah Trump dropped the ball, but so did almost every other world leader. It’s not like the Paris Agreement where Trump is the one big idiot.
    True in this case.

    Boris Johnson's response has been worse.

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    Dude, Fox propaganda network sets the agenda and the talking points, after Trump has uttered it. I have been cooped up with my dad, and have listened to the conservative bubble babble. First the talking heads are saying things, then you hear the echos on talk radio.

    You probably don't watch Fox propaganda network news. You might not listen to talk radio. But these things are part of the echo chamber. The game of telephone until what ever source you DO watch or listen to picks it up, because it becomes some sort of dogma or canon.

    I repeat the ONLY people saying it was "just the flu' was the administration trying to downplay the severity, because Trump doesn't listen to briefings, and didn't wan't to be bothered with bad news. Trump said it, Fox news amplified it, and that was that.
    Trump and Fox are an idiots feedback loop. Trump says something stupid Fox echoes it, Fox says something stupid Trump enacts it as policy.

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    Dude, Fox propaganda network sets the agenda and the talking points, after Trump has uttered it. I have been cooped up with my dad, and have listened to the conservative bubble babble. First the talking heads are saying things, then you hear the echos on talk radio.

    You probably don't watch Fox propaganda network news. You might not listen to talk radio. But these things are part of the echo chamber. The game of telephone until what ever source you DO watch or listen to picks it up, because it becomes some sort of dogma or canon.

    I repeat the ONLY people saying it was "just the flu' was the administration trying to downplay the severity, because Trump doesn't listen to briefings, and didn't wan't to be bothered with bad news. Trump said it, Fox news amplified it, and that was that.
    It ain't the flu. The flu has killed over 8 thousand people in this country already this year.

    Corona about 100 killed.

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    It ain't the flu. The flu has killed over 8 thousand people in this country already this year.

    Corona about 100 killed.
    DMC last week was a variant of what you're saying, Thread

    "How is novel coronavirus any different from the seasonal flu?"

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    It ain't the flu. The flu has killed over 8 thousand people in this country already this year.

    Corona about 100 killed.
    So when it surpasses 8,000 will you acknowledge your stupid. If not enough pick the I’m stupid number.

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    Dude, Fox propaganda network sets the agenda and the talking points, after Trump has uttered it. I have been cooped up with my dad, and have listened to the conservative bubble babble. First the talking heads are saying things, then you hear the echos on talk radio.

    You probably don't watch Fox propaganda network news. You might not listen to talk radio. But these things are part of the echo chamber. The game of telephone until what ever source you DO watch or listen to picks it up, because it becomes some sort of dogma or canon.

    I repeat the ONLY people saying it was "just the flu' was the administration trying to downplay the severity, because Trump doesn't listen to briefings, and didn't wan't to be bothered with bad news. Trump said it, Fox news amplified it, and that was that.

    It is actually worse than that;

    Trump is given the most accurate top secret classified info- every ing day.

    Trump willfully received the correct info and deliberately spun it because he thought it might benefit HIM


    He KNEW he was gaslighting america and he KNEW the was dangerous but he does not give a -
    he hates humans and is the reason why he has lied to HIS OWN SUPPORTERS for 4 plus years.

    When someone feels contempt for you- they lie to your face 24/7- knowing that you are an idiot and will open wide and swallow whole. i think trump hates his supporters just as much as his detractors because he lies to ALL of them.

    He knew his bull would cost many lives and did not give a .

    If the virus was from mexico - one can only imagine how many millions of beds and tents and respirators trump and stephen miller would have had built by now.

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    If the virus was from mexico - one can only imagine how many millions of beds and tents and respirators trump and stephen miller would have had built by now.
    ??? they, infected or not, are being turned away to be abused, raped, forced into gangs, killed

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    Nope. Not sure what you are trying to get at. Once again, you can't be bothered to spell it out, wanting to, instead, vomit out a wall of text.

    I'm not the only one to notice the ing self-serving stupidity of the op-ed you linked.

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    Donald Trump Didn’t Disband Pandemic Team, He Did Far Worse
    How Ford v. Ferrari can explain Trump's incompetence.

    When we started hearing that the Trump administration sowed the seeds for the lackluster response to this outbreak by firing the nation’s whole pandemic preparedness team a few years ago, it was genuinely disturbing how unsurprising it was.

    But former administration officials are now pushing back against the report that Trump recklessly fired the response team of experts by claiming… he didn’t dissolve the team at all. An odd flex given that Donald Trump already admitted that he fired everyone in the office, explaining that he didn’t want people on the payroll when there wasn’t an active threat and “when we need them, we can get them back very quickly.”

    And while being comically contradicted by Trump himself should end the inquiry, the managerial lackeys who actually staked their careers on this debacle are taking to the press to try and defend their crumbling professional reputations.

    Tim Morrison, a former NSC official, wrote to the Washington Post claiming, “No, the White House didn’t ‘dissolve’ its pandemic response office. I was there.” It’s an editorial earning a lot of plaudits from John Bolton, Morrison’s former boss. who is also deeply implicated in this move since he oversaw the decision. Right-wing Twitter is sending it around in… I don’t know… some kind of weird attempt to claim that whatever Trump did with the team isn’t why the response has been so badly botched?

    It’s also an editorial that seems to woefully misunderstand both “pandemics” and “preparedness.”

    Morrison’s claim is that he ran the successor organization to the pandemic preparedness group, a move that cut most of the minds behind the original, but…

    One such move at the NSC was to create the counterproliferation and biodefense directorate, which was the result of consolidating three directorates into one, given the obvious overlap between arms control and nonproliferation, weapons of mass destruction terrorism, and global health and biodefense. It is this reorganization that critics have misconstrued or intentionally misrepresented. If anything, the combined directorate was stronger because related expertise could be commingled.

    This is where we can all take a lesson from Ford v. Ferrari.

    When you take a highly specialized racing unit and say, “we’re making changes, firing your people, and putting you under the domestic sedan unit,” well, you end up losing Le Mans.


    Morrison and Bolton are publicly arguing that they aren’t responsible for dismantling a highly praised pandemic team because they buried its mission under the au es of an arms control and bioterror unit. Except those are security threats predicated upon predicting and remediating human state and non-state actors. Where, exactly, does a group born out of influenza responses fit? Because when your leadership is a bioterrorism hammer, everything becomes a nail. This is how you end up with 800 scenarios for a nerve gas attack on public transit and 0 scenarios for dealing with an asymptomatic pneumoniatic flu.

    Like the revolving door corporate hacks that they are, the administration made its cuts about “efficiency” rather than “results” and somehow has the gall to pretend they were right when the whole operation crashes around them. Diseases might come from bioterrorism, but they’re far more likely to come from the serendipity of mutation. If some en y were planning a bioterror attack, it would focus on agents that are highly lethal and, necessarily, not highly contagious — diseases can’t survive when they kill the host. This is precisely why an organization charged with gameplanning terrorist attacks is ill-suited to deal with traditional pandemics. The whole frame of reference is wrong.

    Dissolving the team would have been bad, but what the administration actually did was far worse. What they actually did was slit the throat of America’s preparedness for an outbreak like this while convincing themselves they still had a plan. Senior administration officials honestly believed they had this covered by their cut-rate bioterror team. The whole operation revolves around the idea that there’s someone to attack, someone to blame, someone to fire. But there’s no villain here and they can’t seem to grasp what to do about that.

    If only they had some sort of “team” charged with “preparing” for something like this…

    https://abovethelaw.com/2020/03/dona...did-far-worse/

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    In essence, yes, the pandemic response team was axed. Moving the responsibilities into another group that didn't really understand the requirements didn't mean the people who were given those responsibilities understood the parameters of the risks they faced.
    You said the pandemic response team was axed, you were shown it wasn't.

    You asked for an org chart and you were given one.

    You whine about an op-ed and wall of text and then vomit out an opinion piece wall of text from an anti-Trump website.

    You are a ing joke

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    Site seems broken now

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    Site seems broken now
    What site?

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    xhamster is working fine

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    xhamster is working fine
    They make me create an account to get fullscreen on the live models though. At least if you go through an Italian proxy you get Pornhub Premium gratis.

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    You know what you said. Last week isn't an early opinion, that's rather late to be a denier, tbh.
    What are the symptoms of this coronavirus?
    The symptoms can include a cough, possibly with a fever and shortness of breath. There are some early reports of non-respiratory symptoms, such as nausea, vomiting, or diarrhea. Many people recover within a few days. However, some people — especially the very young, elderly, or people who have a weakened immune system — may develop a more serious infection, such as bronchitis or pneumonia.

    How is it treated?
    Scientists are working hard to understand the virus, and Chinese health authorities have posted its full genome in international databases. Currently, there are no approved antivirals for this particular coronavirus, so treatment is supportive. For the sickest patients with this illness, specialized, aggressive care in an intensive care unit (ICU) can be lifesaving.

    Should you worry about catching this virus?
    Unless you’ve been in close contact with someone who has the coronavirus — which right now, typically means a traveler from Wuhan, China who actually has the virus — you’re likely to be safe. In the US, for example, only two cases of the virus have been confirmed so far, although this is likely to change.

    While we don’t yet understand the particulars of how this virus spreads, coronaviruses usually spread through droplets containing large particles that typically can only be suspended in the air for three to six feet before dissipating. By contrast, measles or varicella (chickenpox) spread through smaller droplets over much greater distances. Some coronaviruses also have been found in the stool of certain individuals.

    So it’s likely that coughs or sneezes from an infected person may spread the virus. It’s too early to say whether another route of transmission, fecal-oral contact, might also spread this particular virus.

    Basic infectious disease principles are key to curbing the spread of this virus. Wash your hands regularly. Cover coughs and sneezes with your inner elbow. Avoid touching your eyes, nose, or mouth with your hands. Stay home from work or school if you have a fever. Stay away from people who have signs of a respiratory tract infection, such as runny nose, coughing, and sneezing.

    In the US, the average person is at extremely low risk of catching this novel coronavirus. This winter, in fact, we are much more likely to get influenza B — the flu — than any other virus: one in 10 people have influenza each flu season. It’s still not too late to get a flu shot, an easy step toward avoiding the flu. If you do get the flu despite having gotten the vaccine, studies show that severe illness, hospitalization, ICU admission, and death are less likely to occur.

    The bottom line
    Given the current spread of this virus and the pace and complexity of international travel, the number of cases and deaths will likely to continue to climb. We should not panic, even though we are dealing with a serious and novel pathogen. Public health teams are assembling. Lessons learned from other serious viruses, such as SARS and MERS, will help. As more information becomes available, public health organizations like the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) in the US and the World Health Organization (WHO) will be sharing key information and strategies worldwide.
    Spreading misinformation seems to be the new 3rd world troll shtick.
    Spreading misinformation. They got their pee pee smacked for that already.
    I don't trust scientific news out of 3rd world countries. They apply liberal amounts of confirmation bias along with flat out lying to avoid being either dismissed or shot.
    Here is some of the things I said about it beginning in January.

    So if you can't cite what you're claiming I said then just shut up.

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    So when it surpasses 8,000 will you acknowledge your stupid. If not enough pick the I’m stupid number.
    No. Because by then (even now) more than 8k will have died of regular flu this year alone, over a million thru the last 2 decades. We ain't made a deal, big or otherwise about that million. But, we're making a deal, a big one about 110 dead while some are taking to the beaches of Florida in grief & fear.

    C'mon, pic.

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    Yep, it's the gold standard.

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    You said the pandemic response team was axed, you were shown it wasn't.

    You asked for an org chart and you were given one.

    You whine about an op-ed and wall of text and then vomit out an opinion piece wall of text from an anti-Trump website.

    You are a ing joke
    I analyse risk, organizational systems, and mitigation strategies for a living. I am very, very good at, well paid for it, and have tens of thousands of hours experience, and two levels of professional certification in it. I am a real-world expert in this case.

    Watching you flail at this is the epitome of dunning-kruger incompetence. You hit google, found the first headline that you think supports your case, without actually reading it or checking the source. You failed to notice that the org chart you posted proves that the group was disbanded, and that the op-ed I posted was correct in its assessment.

    The icing on the cake is that your "text from an anti-Trump website" is an ad hominem fallacy.

    You didn't recognize your headline was from someone with every motive to lie, didn't understand what you posted, so much so that your own information proved my point, and then finished up with flawed reasoning that failed to address any assertion I or the supporting op-ed made, and commenced to strut around patting yourself on the back at how well you did.

    It makes me feel a little sorry for you.

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    It ain't the flu. The flu has killed over 8 thousand people in this country already this year.

    Corona about 100 killed.
    The flu hasn't destroyed a first world country's health system since 1919. But corona has wrecked Italy's.

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