Der Fuhrer Newsome Orders Californians To Not Go Out...

[ElNono]

You've founded nothing for this overreaction. Mirror, bruh.

You can't read either? that'll explain a few things.

[Spurtacular]

You can't read either? that'll explain a few things.

Lashing out won't get you the W you crave.

[ElNono]

Lashing out won't get you the W you crave.

I was hoping for discussion of your arguments, but you already folded. c'est la vie.

[Spurtacular]

I was hoping for discussion of your arguments, but you already folded. c'est la vie.

Non smokers under 50 have virtually no shot at dying. Persons in the other group who contract the virus are at about one to two percent death rate.

Does that sound like something worth shutting down the economy to you?

[Blake]

Non smokers under 50 have virtually no shot at dying.

Derp talking out of his ass.

Will now tell anyone who calls him out on it to disprove it.

[Spurtacular]

Derp talking out of his ass.

Will now tell anyone who calls him out on it to disprove it.

Ignorant cuckold throwing wishes.

[ElNono]

Non smokers under 50 have virtually no shot at dying. Persons in the other group who contract the virus are at about one to two percent death rate.

Does that sound like something worth shutting down the economy to you?

A sizeable chunk of those under 50 are going to get pneumonia and pack up the hospitals too. This isn't just take Tylenol and move on. They might not die, but they'll still likely require assistance, especially in a country with 40%+ obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes. The whole point of this thing right now is to make sure it doesn't happen all at once, and we have preventable deaths because our health system collapsed.

And the economy shutting down is a canard, tbh. Plenty of people still working from home. Sure, some industries will take a hit, it's an emergency after all. Unfortunately, this would go a lot quicker and be a lot shorter if we didn't have irresponsible people. If the economy is based on a solid foundation, it'll bounce back once this is controlled.

BTW, there's a little over 100 million Americans 50+ years old. Worst case of a 2% death rate = 2 million deaths. What we don't want is to have that number read 4% or 5% because our hospitals and supplies are overwhelmed.

[Spurtacular]

A sizeable chunk of those under 50 are going to get pneumonia and pack up the hospitals too. This isn't just take Tylenol and move on. They might not die, but they'll still likely require assistance, especially in a country with 40%+ obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes. The whole point of this thing right now is to make sure it doesn't happen all at once, and we have preventable deaths because our health system collapsed.

And the economy shutting down is a canard, tbh. Plenty of people still working from home. Sure, some industries will take a hit, it's an emergency after all. Unfortunately, this would go a lot quicker and be a lot shorter if we didn't have irresponsible people. If the economy is based on a solid foundation, it'll bounce back once this is controlled.

BTW, there's a little over 100 million Americans 50+ years old. Worst case of a 2% death rate = 2 million deaths. What we don't want is to have that number read 4% or 5% because our hospitals and supplies are overwhelmed.

So some people are going to die from pneumonia (like usual) so we should shut it all down.

[ElNono]

So some people are going to die from pneumonia (like usual) so we should shut it all down.

I don't know what's the laughing matter, you might not care one bit about your fellow Americans, but you being a shallow loser doesn't mean everybody else needs to be, tbh...

That's why I'm glad the various governors are willing to be the adults in the room. And yes, what needs to be shut down to slow down the disease will be shut down. Once it's under control, it'll come back up. Nothing mysterious here.

[Spurtacular]

I don't know what's the laughing matter, you might not care one bit about your fellow Americans, but you being a shallow loser doesn't mean everybody else needs to be, tbh...

That's why I'm glad the various governors are willing to be the adults in the room. And yes, what needs to be shut down to slow down the disease will be shut down. Once it's under control, it'll come back up. Nothing mysterious here.

By your argument, we should outlaw smoking. We should outlaw cars. After all, the death totals say we should. You obviously don't care about your fellow Americans.

[ElNono]

By your argument, we should outlaw smoking. We should outlaw cars. After all, the death totals say we should. You obviously don't care about your fellow Americans.

No, that's pretty stupid. Nobody is "outlawing" the virus. Do you even think before you post?

We're trying to keep infections to the minimum. Do you understand the difference?

[Spurtacular]

No, that's pretty stupid. Nobody is "outlawing" the virus. Do you even think before you post?

We're trying to keep infections to the minimum. Do you understand the difference?

Nobody is outlawing people from self quarantining. Doy you even think before you post?

We're trying to keep fascism to the minimum. Do you understand the difference?

[ElNono]

Nobody is outlawing people from self quarantining. Doy you even think before you post?

We're trying to keep fascism to the minimum. Do you understand the difference?

this post makes no sense at all. What are you arguing? That people die anyways of other things?

We do a lot of outlawing and penalties to prevent the things you mention: we don't sell to minors, we heavily penalize drunk driving, etc. However, those are all personal choices, it's a completely different thing.

Getting a virus is not a personal choice. There's nothing to "outlaw" here. The only thing we can do is make sure stupid idiots don't go infecting people because they're stupid.

It's actually pretty saddening that an order has to be put out there because there's abject idiots, there's no other way to describe it, that go around infecting people because they think the virus doesn't apply to them.

And finally, you have no idea what fascism is. None. Pick up a book sometime.

[Spurtacular]

this post makes no sense at all. What are you arguing? That people die anyways of other things?

I can see your problem. You don't even understand basic concepts. We don't shut down the economy for flu season. You somehow think COVID is so much extra special.

[Spurtacular]

And finally, you have no idea what fascism is. None. Pick up a book sometime.

Sure I do. I elect lawmakers to make laws, not a fascist governor. Keep lashing out though.

[midnightpulp]

By your argument, we should outlaw smoking. We should outlaw cars. After all, the death totals say we should. You obviously don't care about your fellow Americans.

Here's the thing I don' think you're getting, it's not about the death rate of the virus in a vacuum. I think we'll find out it's much lower than the stated totals, because there's likely many people who've already got it and recovered from it that will never be counted as "confirmed cases." What you're not grasping is that it's about slowing down the spread so that our system isn't overwhelmed. To relate it to your point, yes, if smoking and driving a car resulted in an overwhelming of the system, those activities would be banned/reduced. Seriously, we need to put the petty right/left political football aside, the big government conspiracy theories aside, and behave responsibly. Please take this seriously. Will you die? Will your family die? Probably not. But you might hasten the spread of the virus unknowingly to susceptible people.

[ChumpDumper]

Here's the thing I don' think you're getting, it's not about the death rate of the virus in a vacuum. I think we'll find out it's much lower than the stated totals, because there's likely many people who've already got it and recovered from it that will never be counted as "confirmed cases." What you're not grasping is that it's about slowing down the spread so that our system isn't overwhelmed. To relate it to your point, yes, if smoking and driving a car resulted in an overwhelming of the system, those activities would be banned/reduced. Seriously, we need to put the petty right/left political football aside, the big government conspiracy theories aside, and behave responsibly. Please take this seriously. Will you die? Will your family die? Probably not. But you might hasten the spread of the virus unknowingly to susceptible people.

I was really hoping some of these posters were just role playing or being edgy for kicks. Way past time for the usual quibbling.

[ElNono]

I can see your problem. You don't even understand basic concepts. We don't shut down the economy for flu season. You somehow think COVID is so much extra special.

Yah, it's me and the whole world that doesn't understand anything. You, basement dweller, has it all figured out. It's stupid people like you why we need this kind of quarantines, tbh

Sure I do. I elect lawmakers to make laws, not a fascist governor. Keep lashing out though.

There it is. Talking out of your ass again. You still don't know what fascism is, that much is clear.

On the other hand, I've got "lashing out", need to get "cuck" and "tranny" and I've got the derp bingo, which coincidentally seems to be about 1/3 of your whole vocabulary.

[ElNono]

Here's the thing I don' think you're getting, it's not about the death rate of the virus in a vacuum. I think we'll find out it's much lower than the stated totals, because there's likely many people who've already got it and recovered from it that will never be counted as "confirmed cases." What you're not grasping is that it's about slowing down the spread so that our system isn't overwhelmed. To relate it to your point, yes, if smoking and driving a car resulted in an overwhelming of the system, those activities would be banned/reduced. Seriously, we need to put the petty right/left political football aside, the big government conspiracy theories aside, and behave responsibly. Please take this seriously. Will you die? Will your family die? Probably not. But you might hasten the spread of the virus unknowingly to susceptible people.

He has OCD, at the very least, and he has this urge to 'win' any and all internet arguments. I generally empathize with people like him, and I've been probably one of the most patient posters here with him, tbh.

The problem with this particular thing, however, is that he's demonstrating why we need orders like this. Whether it's conscious or unconscious, it's dangerous to everybody else. It's truly sad.

[midnightpulp]

He has OCD, at the very least, and he has this urge to 'win' any and all internet arguments. I generally empathize with people like him, and I've been probably one of the most patient posters here with him, tbh.

The problem with this particular thing, however, is that he's demonstrating why we need orders like this. Whether it's conscious or unconscious, it's dangerous to everybody else. It's truly sad.

Yeah, we should be beyond "winning" for our R/L team. I don't give a about Trump anymore. I'd gladly trade four more years of him if this could end immediately, so I take no joy in the plunging market, his mishandling of the situation, and such that "hurts him politically."

Spurt's broken clock moment here (his concern is obviously totalitarianism, and we are kind of in a "very soft" totalitarianism at the moment) is that his fear of totalitarianism isn't unfounded. No, I don't think it will happen here. My fear, as somewhat related to Spurt's, is how will the fallout from this situation embolden totalitarian/fascist/nationalist movements around the world? "See, China got their spread under control quickly! Totalitarianism works!" Know it sounds odd, but fascism/totalitarianism is "hip" with many of those alt-right types. I'm probably overestimating the size of their movement, but they are going to exploit this to the moon and probably convert many, especially from the nationalist point-of-view. Rising nationalism from this also worries me. "You see, it was open borders and globalization that magnified this spread! We warned you "bluepillers!".

I just see those movements gaining traction like never before after this is over.

[ElNono]

Yeah, we should be beyond "winning" for our R/L team. I don't give a about Trump anymore. I'd gladly trade four more years of him if this could end immediately, so I take no joy in the plunging market, his mishandling of the situation, and such that "hurts him politically."

Spurt's broken clock moment here (his concern is obviously totalitarianism, and we are kind of in a "very soft" totalitarianism at the moment) is that his fear of totalitarianism isn't unfounded. No, I don't think it will happen here. My fear, as somewhat related to Spurt's, is how will the fallout from this situation embolden totalitarian/fascist/nationalist movements around the world? "See, China got their spread under control quickly! Totalitarianism works!" Know it sounds odd, but fascism/totalitarianism is "hip" with many of those alt-right types. I'm probably overestimating the size of their movement, but they are going to exploit this to the moon and probably convert many, especially from the nationalist point-of-view. Rising nationalism from this also worries me. "You see, it was open borders and globalization that magnified this spread! We warned you "bluepillers!".

I just see those movements gaining traction like never before after this is over.

My only concern right now is how we deal with this thing that's in our doorsteps. What comes in the future, we'll deal with it in the future.

You have to be completely oblivious to the world around you if you think this isn't exceptional in a lot of ways. I'm probably ~5 years older than you, how many times have you gone through something like this? It's not just NY or LA, this is everywhere.

[midnightpulp]

My only concern right now is how we deal with this thing that's in our doorsteps. What comes in the future, we'll deal with it in the future.

You have to be completely oblivious to the world around you if you think this isn't exceptional in a lot of ways. I'm probably ~5 years older than you, how many times have you gone through something like this? It's not just NY or LA, this is everywhere.

None. This is pretty unprecedented. I think many people don't appreciate the severity of it because they look at the numbers or theorize about the numbers, and conclude because it might have a .5 to 1 percent death rate that it's just basically the flu. Meh. But they don't understand the core issue here is that it's ultimately about not straining our system, and even a virus that is just 2x deadlier than flu is a big in' deal. , even a flu on top of a flu would be a big deal. The hope here is Germany. Since they have a surplus of beds and ventilators (which we usually do during flu season because we're not strained), their mortality rate is .003, and that's just related to confirmed cases, so I'll theorize that this virus probably isn't any worse than the flu IF we have the resources, which we usually do for the flu but not another flu on top of it.

After this show is over, pandemic response basically needs to become a sub-area of national defense, and instead of us throwing trillions at F35s and 600 bases around the world, we need to cut a chunk of that defense spending and build the most advanced healthcare apparatus the world has ever seen. We can do it with military. If this isn't a wake-up call, don't know what is.

[TheGreatYacht]

Stopped it at 52 seconds.

Microwave radiation is not ionizing radiation.

The microwave frequencies used in cooking are narrow and designed basically to make water shake creating heat.
If you think people are going to drive around in vans or shoot these frequencies at targets without a great loss of energy and people not realizing it?
No fckn way.

So do this. Go to your microwave, put an egg in it. Turn it on for 1 minute and go outside and look at your electric utility meter before and after you turn it on.
You will find this gadget pulls a good deal of electrical energy and find out your egg has burst. It takes lots of microwaves to cook a damn egg because less concentrated microwaves do nothing, they are low energy and dont react with biomolecules.
Now you can scream.

Microwaves used for communication are completely out of the wavelength for cooking (by merely making water molecules tremble). They dont cause mutations or in any way do damage to chemical bonds directly. They are low energy waves. They are not as high an energy as the light that goes into your eyeball and hits your retina and allows you to see. They make water shake thereby releasing heat. And they do it pretty damn inefficiently.

They are not anything like UV light, Xrays, Gamma rays, not even close.

https://science.nasa.gov/ems/01_intro

Look at the picture and notice the energy increases as you move left to right.
Your garage door opener and TV channel changer have more energy than microwaves. The light you see with, that hits your eye, has more energy. What else do you need, Fear the radio wave?

Please leave your garbage on your doorstep. Dont you have a thread for this garbage...

Matt Landman!!! On 5G and geoengineering!


I trust Matt Landman - an activist who's been doing research on 5G and geoengineering for years - more than you tbh.

[phxspurfan]

Non smokers under 50 have virtually no shot at dying

Apparently true, problem is people not understanding they can give it to others who are at risk.

[DMC]

My only concern right now is how we deal with this thing that's in our doorsteps. What comes in the future, we'll deal with it in the future.

You have to be completely oblivious to the world around you if you think this isn't exceptional in a lot of ways. I'm probably ~5 years older than you, how many times have you gone through something like this? It's not just NY or LA, this is everywhere.

People who deal with medical issues on the regular probably don't think to much about this. Imagine you were diagnosed with stage 4 cancer and you're undergoing treatment. Sure you could die if you get the virus, but you might die anyhow. Are you suddenly more worried? Probably not. Eventually you probably suc b to the concept of a finite existence and refuse to spend that time worrying about the end of that time.