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[Spurtacular]

Oh no, I totally get it, when goes bad and the private sector is overwhelmed, it's never the free market fault, it's always the government fault. It's like a broken record.

That dogma is tired and solves absolutely nothing. A cursory look at history will tell you that government intervention in times of emergency was always absolutely required.

Heck, we're resuscitating the Defense Production Act, a law from the end of WWII/start of the Korean war, because we've gone through this song and dance before.

There's never been a strong government that didn't depend on a strong market. NEVER.

Again, stop pretending you're making any sense. You're embarrassing yourself.

[ElNono]

There's never been a strong government that didn't depend on a strong market. NEVER.

Again, stop pretending you're making any sense. You're embarrassing yourself.

Never? The world ceased to exist in the 1930s? There's been economic up and downs throughout the past century, and yet, here we are.

You really want to steer clear from bringing up embarrassment, tbh, this conversation hasn't been really kind to you at all.

[Spurtacular]

Never? The world ceased to exist in the 1930s? There's been economic up and downs throughout the past century, and yet, here we are.

You really want to steer clear from bringing up embarrassment, tbh, this conversation hasn't been really kind to you at all.

Babble.

[Blake]

Nobody is against slowing it down. But it needs to be done wisely. This cut off your nose despite your face stuff is foolishness.

Lol "cut off nose despite face"

Derp being derp

[midnightpulp]

I can quote myself saying that 6 days or so ago, tbh, not very difficult to find. Search is working.

I'm not touting the soviet union, you are. However, if you can't admit your sacred free market has completely failed us on this emergency, you're more oblivious to reality than first thought.

I wouldn't say the free market failed. Germany and South Korea got this thing under control because they were prepared. Singapore is like one of the least regulated places to do business on Earth. Under control. Where we "fail" is what we spend the fruits of the free market on. Man, wouldn't it have been nice to build up and buy 6 trillion dollars worth of hospitals and supplies, rather than try to nation build in Iraq and Afghanistan? To restate things, this virus doesn't concern me in a vacuum. I do believe we'll eventually find it is not much more dangerous than the flu, but our healthcare system is so strained, we can't handle two flus every season.

[ElNono]

I wouldn't say the free market failed. Germany and South Korea got this thing under control because they were prepared. Singapore is like one of the least regulated places to do business on Earth. Under control. Where we "fail" is what we spend the fruits of the free market on. Man, wouldn't it have been nice to build up and buy 6 trillion dollars worth of hospitals and supplies, rather than try to nation build in Iraq and Afghanistan? To restate things, this virus doesn't concern me in a vacuum. I do believe we'll eventually find it is not much more dangerous than the flu, but our healthcare system is so strained, we can't handle two flus every season.

But that's the point, mid. Free market dictates that buying 6 trillion dollars of hospitals and supplies is bad business unless you can keep the hospitals at capacity and you have, at least, acceptable ROI on the supplies you bought. On the same token, it's the reason nation building in Iraq and Afghanistan is not a free market enterprise either.

This is the dichotomy you face with the free market:

Hospitals are holding back from ordering more medical ventilators because of the high cost for what may be only a short-term e in demand from the coronavirus epidemic, supply chain experts and health researchers say, intensifying an anticipated shortage of lifesaving equipment for patients who become critically ill.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...u-coronavirus/

And from a business perspective, it completely makes sense. However, sometimes the mission is above ROI and fiduciary duty to shareholders. Especially during emergencies, or when national security is at stake. We all understand that. We all know nobody is building F35 planes out of their own volition as an investment without first getting fat checks and subsidies from the government. It's bad business.

I'm a firm believer of the free market 99% of the time, especially in normal times. But in very specific cases, it's simply not the solution to the problem at hand. When it comes to putting lives vs money on the balance, I think lives should take precedence.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, and it doesn't mean the free market is bad, or always fails (like boutons loves to say).

You know what free market dictates in times of scarcity? Pump up the prices. It makes total business sense, do you think it makes sense in an emergency, when people are looking for basic items like food, etc and they are scarce?
We rich folks on ST wouldn't have a problem, but we're hurting the poor, the unemployed, the people that need the most help during an emergency.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the fact that capitalism, socialism, etc don't have all the answers to every problem. After all, almost every country, including the US, use different amounts of both depending on the need.

ie: We subsidize Medicare, because it's bad business to insure old people, or unaffordable. The end result is folks that need healthcare the most can't get it. It's a failure, we recognize it and so we use a form of socialized healthcare in that case, because the free market won't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
And that's ok, we all know lives are at stake, and it makes sense some of our tax dollars go there.

[midnightpulp]

But that's the point, mid. Free market dictates that buying 6 trillion dollars of hospitals and supplies is bad business unless you can keep the hospitals at capacity and you have, at least, acceptable ROI on the supplies you bought. On the same token, it's the reason nation building in Iraq and Afghanistan is not a free market enterprise either.

This is the dichotomy you face with the free market:

Hospitals are holding back from ordering more medical ventilators because of the high cost for what may be only a short-term e in demand from the coronavirus epidemic, supply chain experts and health researchers say, intensifying an anticipated shortage of lifesaving equipment for patients who become critically ill.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...u-coronavirus/

And from a business perspective, it completely makes sense. However, sometimes the mission is above ROI and fiduciary duty to shareholders. Especially during emergencies, or when national security is at stake. We all understand that. We all know nobody is building F35 planes out of their own volition as an investment without first getting fat checks and subsidies from the government. It's bad business.

I'm a firm believer of the free market 99% of the time, especially in normal times. But in very specific cases, it's simply not the solution to the problem at hand. When it comes to putting lives vs money on the balance, I think lives should take precedence.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, and it doesn't mean the free market is bad, or always fails (like boutons loves to say).

You know what free market dictates in times of scarcity? Pump up the prices. It makes total business sense, do you think it makes sense in an emergency, when people are looking for basic items like food, etc and they are scarce?
We rich folks on ST wouldn't have a problem, but we're hurting the poor, the unemployed, the people that need the most help during an emergency.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the fact that capitalism, socialism, etc don't have all the answers to every problem. After all, almost every country, including the US, use different amounts of both depending on the need.

ie: We subsidize Medicare, because it's bad business to insure old people, or unaffordable. The end result is folks that need healthcare the most can't get it. It's a failure, we recognize it and so we use a form of socialized healthcare in that case, because the free market won't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
And that's ok, we all know lives are at stake, and it makes sense some of our tax dollars go there.

Don't disagree with any of that, and I hope this is a wake up call for us collectively on that front. To your point about hospitals maximizing ROI. Yep, that's screwing us over right now.

The way health care is delivered today is dramatically different than 40 years ago or even 20 years ago. Today, hospitals are run very efficiently. And what efficiency translates to, in part, is that they don’t have a lot of stores of equipment. They don’t have a lot of extra beds, because an extra bed is not efficient. And so, we have a significantly fewer number of American hospitals, in general, and a significantly fewer number of hospital beds and fewer number of ICU beds than we had 20 years ago. So, if a pandemic occurs, it’s not built to handle that. It has very little play.

Unacceptable.

https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/03/17...moving-target/

And we're fooling ourselves if we think this is last flu/cold virus strain. They have a way of popping up every ten years.

[boutons_deux]

Only blue states, 5, have ordered stay-at-home, NY, CA, NJ, IL, CT

the red states are have their ignorant, gullible heads filled by AJ, Rush, Breitbart, Fox, OAN and of course, Trash The Orange Killer

"some economists" think up to 75% of restaurants won't make it, 2M+ unemployed.

[ElNono]

Don't disagree with any of that, and I hope this is a wake up call for us collectively on that front. To your point about hospitals maximizing ROI. Yep, that's screwing us over right now.

Unacceptable.

https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/03/17...moving-target/

And we're fooling ourselves if we think this is last flu/cold virus strain. They have a way of popping up every ten years.

Lots of this stuff permeates all around. There also has been a lot of buyouts and cartelization (Kaiser group, Saint Barnabas group, etc etc) buying up hospitals and building their own networks, because while all these groups love to tout the free market, they also hate compe ion.

This is part of a much longer conversation about healthcare in general, and costs, and all that surrounds that. But that's day to day stuff. If we can't even come to an agreement in exceptional cases, we're truly ed.

[ElNono]

Only blue states, 5, have ordered stay-at-home, NY, CA, NJ, IL, CT

the red states are have their ignorant, gullible heads filled by AJ, Rush, Breitbart, Fox, OAN and of course, Trash The Orange Killer

"some economists" think up to 75% of restaurants won't make it, 2M+ unemployed.

To be fair, 45 states closed schools, so it's not like they're unaware or pretending to be. And look, some states have different economies and different needs.

[boutons_deux]

The covid-19 pandemic will not shake power and control from the oligarchy.

As after the Banksters Great Depression, they will stay on top, more powerful and wealthier.

[boutons_deux]

To be fair, 45 states closed schools, so it's not like they're unaware or pretending to be. And look, some states have different economies and different needs.

They all have human beings, and red/slave states, eg TX, have high proportions of uninsured (eg no Medicaid) which is great news for BigInsurance, but not so much for taxpayers.

I'm waiting for the stories to emerge of people with so-called reputed "good" group insurance getting very sick, ER, hospitalization, surviving but what about the medical bills?

[Mark Celibate]

Imagine how many Alex Jones water filters are getting sold right now? That fatass is probably cleaning up.

yeah that guy's gotta be making money hand over fist right about now. I'm sure all the Super Male Vitality, Survival Shield, Life Force snake oil supplements are all sold out tbh

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They all have human beings, and red/slave states, eg TX, have high proportions of uninsured (eg no Medicaid) which is great news for BigInsurance, but not so much for taxpayers.

I'm waiting for the stories to emerge of people with so-called reputed "good" group insurance getting very sick, ER, hospitalization, surviving but what about the medical bills?

...gonna be free.

[TheGreatYacht]

Stopped it at 52 seconds.

Microwave radiation is not ionizing radiation.

The microwave frequencies used in cooking are narrow and designed basically to make water shake creating heat.
If you think people are going to drive around in vans or shoot these frequencies at targets without a great loss of energy and people not realizing it?
No fckn way.

So do this. Go to your microwave, put an egg in it. Turn it on for 1 minute and go outside and look at your electric utility meter before and after you turn it on.
You will find this gadget pulls a good deal of electrical energy and find out your egg has burst. It takes lots of microwaves to cook a damn egg because less concentrated microwaves do nothing, they are low energy and dont react with biomolecules.
Now you can scream.

Microwaves used for communication are completely out of the wavelength for cooking (by merely making water molecules tremble). They dont cause mutations or in any way do damage to chemical bonds directly. They are low energy waves. They are not as high an energy as the light that goes into your eyeball and hits your retina and allows you to see. They make water shake thereby releasing heat. And they do it pretty damn inefficiently.

They are not anything like UV light, Xrays, Gamma rays, not even close.

https://science.nasa.gov/ems/01_intro

Look at the picture and notice the energy increases as you move left to right.
Your garage door opener and TV channel changer have more energy than microwaves. The light you see with, that hits your eye, has more energy. What else do you need, Fear the radio wave?

Please leave your garbage on your doorstep. Dont you have a thread for this garbage...

IT Guy Explains Why He Quit Installing 5G

[Spurtacular]

IT Guy Explains Why He Quit Installing 5G

Chumpettes not bothered.

[Winehole23]

Don't disagree with any of that, and I hope this is a wake up call for us collectively on that front. To your point about hospitals maximizing ROI. Yep, that's screwing us over right now.



Unacceptable.

https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/03/17...moving-target/

And we're fooling ourselves if we think this is last flu/cold virus strain. They have a way of popping up every ten years.

We might not have to wait so long. Supposing COVID-19 one wanes in the hot weather, it's likely to come back this fall/winter.

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They have a way of popping up every ten years.

The key, Midst? Trump won't be President "every ten years."

When over 12.5k Americans died under Obama's stewardship it was fine & it was dandy.

[Blake]

The key, Midst? Trump won't be President "every ten years."

When over 12.5k Americans died under Obama's stewardship it was fine & it was dandy.

Do you not understand why people die from the usual flu?

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Do you not understand why people die from the usual flu?

Of course, Blake. I don't understand why we haven't taken a fit over it like we have the 700 who have died from Corona.

[LaSíSí]

Of course, Blake. I don't understand why we haven't taken a fit over it like we have the 700 who have died from Corona.

Cos there's no vaccine. Our leaders are really smart to shut everything down. Otherwise, most of us could die.

[midnightpulp]

Of course, Blake. I don't understand why we haven't taken a fit over it like we have the 700 who have died from Corona.

It's not going to stop at 700, Cub. If we mitigate this to 20K by this time next year, we're "okay."

[Blake]

Of course, Blake. I don't understand why we haven't taken a fit over it like we have the 700 who have died from Corona.

So then you don't understand the difference between the seasonal flu and the coronavirus.

We've had thousands of years to build up generational immunities to the seasonal flu. We have vaccines. We have an understanding of it.

The first known Chinese person to get this was on December 1 and now look how many people have it and the distance it's traveled. There are way too many unknown variables with this thing.

But keep going full Trumper and compare the two

[Spurtacular]

So then you don't understand the difference between the seasonal flu and the coronavirus.

We've had thousands of years to build up generational immunities to the seasonal flu. We have vaccines. We have an understanding of it.

The first known Chinese person to get this was on December 1 and now look how many people have it and the distance it's traveled. There are way too many unknown variables with this thing.

But keep going full Trumper and compare the two

I bet you're really proud of yourself for regurgitating all this.

[Blake]

I bet you're really proud of yourself for regurgitating all this.

I bet you're struggling to understand the big words in it