what do you think happens in other restaurants? I can only hope they're masking up in addition to all the other stuff.
Man if I was in NYC I would be scared less to eat anything but what I can cook at home.Most have already closed.
The ones that remain open are the tiny ones who cant afford to close. Closing means going out of business forever for them.
I'm being a lazy and ordering pizza. Done so the last 3 nights. The delivery guy is decked out in gloves and mask. ing weird to see.
Keep in mind this is working off the Wuhan data:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00758-2Calculations of the virus’s basic reproduction number, or R0 — the number of people on average one infected person will pass the virus to — suggest a range of 2–2.5.
I would expect the R0 to be a bit lower in less densely populated areas.
Seasonal strains of flu can be anywhere from 0.9 to 2.0, and in this case we get a more accurate picture since we have a history of data to work with.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19545404R0 values estimated for seasonal strains of influenza (mean R0 1.3: range 0.9 to 2.1).
Dr. Paul Auwaeter believes:
His brief talk on it:“If you have a COVID-19 patient in your household, your risk of developing the infection is about 10%….If you were casually exposed to the virus in the workplace (e.g., you were not locked up in conference room for six hours with someone who was infected [like a hospital]), your chance of infection is about 0.5%”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN25KVrAZs4
Canned everything.
Nobody has it figured out. It may not turn out as optimistic as the Oxford study, but definitely not as fire as worst case studies. Recovered and the dead don't spread.
Well if you can't see what they're doing then it's safer
Are the hot dog vendors still working?
Can corona survive your stomach acid?
Cannot afford to. If it was just me... I would, and tip really well.
But
I am currently holed up with my 76 year old dad. Came up right before everything, because he had a minor surgery. Decided to stay when I saw this coming, as I can work remotely. Boss closed office last week, so I simply stayed. Sucks I am separated from my wife and sons, one of which has asthma. She isn't eating any take out either, and is as terrified for my son, as I am for my father.
Just not a risk worth taking, IMO.
No. So you have to weigh all the information and come to your own conclusions. That's all we can do. I lean more toward the "optimistic" side, at least relative to the 60 million/3 million dead scenarios. I also believe we won't become the next Italy in terms of mortality rate.
Thanks. Nice little chart from that link:
Viruses that live in lungs? I doubt it. If soap can kill the lipids layer s , then the acid is probably not very hospitable. the attachment points are for lung cells, I doubt stomach cells have similar enough molecular physiology. Dunno, though. Interesting question.
Sorry to hear. Luckily there's Skype
some posts are not aging well
my bad ma nig Phx u a good poster
yeah maybe it kind of is overblown in the big scheme of things, since you only get tested if u have big time symptoms or complications. Lots of people I have talked to think (wish) they had it (and already beat it/have antibodies) because they had a cough and maybe a fever or headache for a few days...
Yikes. Hope you stay safe man.
best of luck, hopefully its not the corona
Until they become zombies
Remember, just working off Wuhan. We won't know the truth mortality rate for awhile. Germany is running under 1 percent, because they have the greatest ratio of mild cases tested to severe cases tested.Thanks. Nice little chart from that link:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...uzzles-expertsCrucially, Germany started testing people even with milder symptoms relatively early on, meaning the total number of confirmed cases may give a more accurate picture of the virus’s spread than in other states.
honestly, havent had takeout in a couple of weeks now. we're at a point where we just want as few people as possible being in contact with the food we eat. certainly, at various points in the process of food getting onto the shelves, people will get in contact with it, and that's a given. doesn't mean we can't minimize it.
even when getting produce, i'm always looking for packaged goods (bagged potatoes/onions/apples instead of hand picking them, etc). and i've been buying packaged/frozen meats instead of getting them from the counter. just until this thing blows over
ironically our favorite takeout place near us is a chinese place
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Discord. It is what my kids use. Pretty nice program, all things considered.
Sorry to hear that. Has to be very stressful.
On the positive side, he had his surgery and got out of there before went crazy.
My mother is the same age. Luckily, she has this awesome neighbor that gets things for her at the store.
How the Pandemic Will End
The U.S. may end up with the worst COVID-19 outbreak in the industrialized world.
This is how it’s going to play out.
More transmissible and fatal than seasonal influenza,
the new coronavirus is also stealthier,
spreading from one host to another for several days before triggering obvious symptoms.
To contain such a pathogen,
nations must develop a test and use it
to identify infected people,
isolate them, and
trace those they’ve had contact with.
That is what South Korea, Singapore, and Hong Kong did to tremendous effect.
It is what the United States did not.
That a biomedical powerhouse like the U.S. should so thoroughly fail to create a very simple diagnostic test was, quite literally, unimaginable.
“I’m not aware of any simulations that I or others have run where we [considered] a failure of testing,”
The testing fiasco was the original sin of America’s pandemic failure, the single flaw that undermined every other countermeasure.
the White House is a ghost town of scientific expertise.
A pandemic-preparedness office that was part of the National Security Council was dissolved in 2018.
On January 28, Luciana Borio, who was part of that team,
urged the government to “act now to prevent an American epidemic,” and
specifically to work with the private sector to develop fast, easy diagnostic tests.
But with the office shuttered, those warnings were published in The Wall Street Journal, rather than spoken into the president’s ear.
Instead of springing into action, America sat idle.
Rudderless, blindsided, lethargic, and uncoordinated,
America has mishandled the COVID-19 crisis to a substantially worse degree than what every health expert I’ve spoken with had feared.
“The U.S. may end up with the worst outbreak in the industrialized world.”
COVID-19 is a slow and long illness.
As of last weekend, the nation had 17,000 confirmed cases, but the actual number was probably somewhere between 60,000 and 245,000.
Even a perfect response won’t end the pandemic.
As long as the virus persists somewhere, there’s a chance that
one infected traveler will reignite fresh sparks in countries that have already extinguished their fires.
This is already happening in China, Singapore, and other Asian countries that briefly seemed to have the virus under control.
the odds of worldwide synchronous control seem vanishingly small.
the virus does what past flu pandemics have done: It burns through the world and leaves behind enough immune survivors that it eventually struggles to find viable hosts.
come at a terrible cost: SARS-CoV-2 is more transmissible and fatal than the flu, and it would likely leave behind many millions of corpses and a trail of devastated health systems.
third scenario is that the world plays a protracted game of whack-a-mole with the virus,
there are no existing vaccines for coronaviruses—until now, these viruses seemed to cause diseases that were mild or rare—so researchers must start from scratch.
No matter which strategy is faster, Berkley and others estimate that it will take 12 to 18 months to develop a proven vaccine, and
then longer still to make it, ship it, and inject it into people’s arms.
duration of immunity. When people are infected by the milder human coronaviruses that cause cold-like symptoms, they remain immune for less than a year.
The cost of reaching that point, with as few deaths as possible, will be enormous.
, a secondary pandemic of mental-health problems will follow. At a moment of profound dread and uncertainty, people are being cut off from soothing human contact.
Elderly people, who are already excluded from much of public life, are being asked to distance themselves even further, deepening their loneliness.
One to two years after SARS hit Toronto, people who dealt with the outbreak were still less productive and more likely to be experiencing burnout and post-traumatic stress.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/how-will-coronavirus-end/608719/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campai gn=politics-daily-newsletter&utm_content=20200325&silverid-ref=NjMwMjkwNjYyOTQ2S0
Mostly canned . Gets old at some point.
At worst I can live off snacks and but in the long term that's just not healthy. Granted pizza is no better but what are you gonna do? I cant cook and I live alone.
I saw one stantioned near a best buy when I went out last week. Nobody was biting.
Stay safe. Hopefully, you're young and healthy. I'm an old fart who drinks and smokes too much. But, I'm thin and don't have the beetus.
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