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And I wouldn't even argue against it.
I've always thought if you put Tim in another system which required more selfishness, he is putting up playstation type numbers.
max asked him who would be the #2, hakeem (lol), lebron (3-6 LOL), BJ armstrong said that tim duncan was the most unique, versatile player he's seen other than jordan. a true scholar
And I wouldn't even argue against it.
I've always thought if you put Tim in another system which required more selfishness, he is putting up playstation type numbers.
How many players play 19 years as a starter and make the POs every season, let alone your squad is almost always in the contender conversation during that time frame?
That alone speaks volumes to even casual fans.
Tim didn't do this when there was only 8 teams and 90% of the league was white. He did this is a far more compe ive and physical era in a much larger league.
He is simply incredible and under appreciated.
Haters and the media "Well he only had success because he had Pop. Pop made him great in that system. Without Pop he's nothing."
Agreed. I felt Tim always showed how dominant he could be during the playoffs. They were series where he would average over 30 points and 10 rebounds like that series he had against the Mavs in '06.
Only 9 players have made the playoffs every season - Only Karl Malone, Stockton, and Timmy have done it for 19 straight years - Only Timmy has championships (5) out of that list.
Elgin Baylor: 13 seasons, no misses, 1.000
He missed the playoffs in 1971 due to injury and retired nine games in the following season, but the Lakers never failed to qualify in his one-franchise career.
Larry Bird: 13 seasons, no misses, 1.000
Bird missed the postseason in 1989, the year he played in only six games, though the Celtics did not.
Bob Cousy: 13 seasons, no misses, 1.000
We’re not going to hold the 1969-70 season – when Cousy played limited minutes in seven games as Cincinnati’s player-coach, six years after retiring – against him.
Tim Duncan: 19 years, no misses, 1.000
No one in league history has gone 20-for-20, so Duncan and Karl Malone are the best of our 1.000 hitters. Duncan missed the 2000 playoffs due to injury and that was too much for the defending-champion Spurs to overcome, getting ousted by Phoenix in four.
Julius Erving: 11 seasons, no misses, 1.000
And that’s just his NBA years. The Doctor went 5-for-5 in the ABA, twice winning les with the Nets and averaging 31.1 points and 12.9 boards in those five postseasons.
Magic Johnson: 13 seasons, no misses, 1.000
This even includes his limited 1995-96 season, a forgettable 32-game comeback after four years of retirement.
Karl Malone: 19 seasons, no misses, 1.000
The Mailman’s running buddy, John Stockton, never missed, either, in his 19-year Hall of Fame career.
Bill Russell: 13 seasons, no misses, 1.000
The idea of this guy and his Boston team sitting out a postseason is unimaginable.
Jerry West: 13 seasons, no misses, 1.000
West was such a noble and, with the exception of the Lakers’ le in ’72, ill-fated playoff performer that he was named Finals MVP in 1970 from the losing side.
https://www.nba.com/article/2019/03/...g-out-playoffs
There is only 2 players I have ahead of Tim. Those 2 are Jordan and Jabbar. They edge Tim out due to having more rings, mvps, along with being more dominant. Outside of those 2 there is no players that has a better combination of dominance and winning as Duncan did.
I'll only put MJ ahead of Timmy. I've heard Jabbar was MJ-level but I haven't seen enough of him to know. LeBron is really incredible and is gonna finish with better numbers than pretty much anyone, but he's a mercenary who depends on tampering to form perfect teams around him. There's no way he could ever win a ring with the roster Timmy had in '03.
I wonder how Duncan would have done on the 2017 Cavs. If you switch prime Duncan and pair him up with Kyrie and Kevin Love. I would think they would have a better chance at beating the Warriors simply because of the matchup problems Duncan would cause on both ends. Also I think Love and Kyrie would play better with Duncan due to the spacing he would give them.
If he had played in a a bigger he'd be widely considered a Top 3 player. The Big 3 would be widely considered the best trio ever.
Its ass backwards too because it takes more to do what the great Timothy Theodore Duncan did in SA than say what Kobe did in LA. Their are limitations (spending power, attracting FAs) that come with playing for a small market. The Spurs hadn't rang before the great Timothy Theodore Duncan and might not ring after him. The Lakers had plenty of rings before Kobe and will ring plenty after him.
Pop isn't a great coach, he had Tim Duncan so of course he looks good.
Manu is a player, he had Tim and Tony, with the greatest coach of all time so of course he looked good.
Tony Parker wasn't that good even in his prime. He had Tim Duncan and Manu on the floor, and Pop coached him strictly so of course he looks better than he is otherwise.
Turns out none of them were any good. Add the asterisks for other teams being injured, shortened seasons, etc... They are still 0fer
Or '14
smart dude
I’m sure Kareem was great and all but he was great alongside some awesome players on his teams, in a major favorite market that undoubtedly got helped by those star calls all the time. Imagine if Tim Tony Manu and Bruce played for the Lakers, how many rings they’d have.
Anyway Kareem great and all, skyhook cool shot, but played against a bunch of guys that even when the 90s talent rolled in, got absolutely obliterated. Not in GOAT conversation like Wilt MJ TD Shaq LeBron etc.
That’s an interesting thought exercise. Prime TD would have to be doubled by Draymond and KD or Looney or whoever was their true center, freeing up jumpers on the wings and corners to Kyrie and crew. If those guys hit their shots it would be compe ive, since Curry and Klay would light it up against guys like JR Smith and Kyrie. I think TD loses, but it would be an interesting battle of pace vs bigs.
Old man Duncan was ting on the Warriors. We've always ted on them until we started getting injuries to ter ironically.
Kawhi was manhandling them solo without the big three.
And Prime ing Duncan, well it's a sweep series.
Tim got disrespected a lot early in his career by the media.He got snubbed for the league MVP in '99 because the media felt he was too young at the time to win it and gave it to Karl Malone. After winning the first le the media dubbed it an asterisk due to Phil Jackson saying it wasn't legit. When Duncan won his two MVP's you had outcries from the media in '02 that Kidd deserved it and in '03 KG deserved it. Spurs win the second le and the media still disrespects the spurs and says it was an accidental le and that the Spurs just got lucky due to Webber and Dirk's injuries. After '03 the media runs on a theme for 2 years that Duncan is not a real leader and won't ever win a le without David Robinson. It wasn't until Duncan won the third le that Duncan got the moniker the greatest PF of all time. Prior to that he dealt with a lot of open hate from the media. I don't think guys like Kobe,Lebron,Durant would be able to handle those types of situations well without going crazy or wanting to leave.
First part of video
People always use “MJ never lost in the finals”. If Pop doesn’t pull the dumbest move, TD would have also been undefeated in the finals too.
Pop is so ducking smart he pulled the best player in team history AT THE CRUCIAL MOMENT and directly lead to a devastating loss.
And the dumbass signed DeMarre Carroll this year
Because Duncan was so amazing guarding the three point line?
He was really good at grabbing rebounds
Plus he was a really good player
One who wins a lot especially at the crucial moment
And really bad at guarding shooters off screens at the three point line by that part of his career, hence why he was on the bench when the Heat had no choice but to shoot threes.
Yeah its too bad the whole thing did not turn out better for the mastermind who sat maybe one of the best winners to ever play the game.
We all know how it turned out. Clank-Bosh with the rebound-oh
While Tim freaking Duncan sat on the bench with genius poop.
In retorspect it was a great move-i stand corrected
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