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    Now you can continue with the but, but...
    You act like I want the man elected.
    I am telling you this violence is part of how you get him elected.

    End of story.

    If you wish to go through the French Revolution with me and discuss when violence was necessary and when violence was counterproductive we can create another thread.
    they ignore the history of successful violent insurrection in the US, instead favoring the elementary school version of history in which nonviolence is the only means of struggle that’s ever achieved a thing.
    You're slave moralising again. How is that going to get him elected particularly when he obviously brought this upon himself? Since the violence started he has done worse in the polls empirically.

    You would be Chamberlain following the invasion of Czechoslovakia. Naive in your moral delusion.

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    You're slave moralising again. How is that going to get him elected particularly when he obviously brought this upon himself? Since the violence started he has done worse in the polls empirically.

    You would be Chamberlain following the invasion of Czechoslovakia. Naive in your moral delusion.
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    This is not a revolution. This is not the beginning of an apocalypse. This is NOT a NAZI invasion. "Ignoring the history of violent INSURRECTION" Insurrection?
    Really?

    Explain how sucker punching innocent people (albeit naive IMO) in the back of the head is akin to a violent INSURRECTION?
    This is the problem. This is not some fight for freedom. It's simple cowardice. It's punks finding a way to have some summer fun by way of protesters getting too nasty. You can see it in the videos. Some of the protesters actually realize by throwing , pulling hats off, screaming face to face, they created a mess, Some even attempt to hold the punks back. It's not a mass movement of violence as SA wants people to believe. Liberals are buying into this. Incredible...

    This would not have occurred with a peaceful counterprotest. Period end of story. Don't give punks an avenue to act out. This is not a blanket statement, this is specifically concerning the Trump protesters allowing punks to act out. Keep protesting but please get rid of the spitting hat pulling screaming. Use less aggressive tactics. Simple.
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    This is not a revolution. This is not the beginning of an apocalypse. This is NOT a NAZI invasion. "Ignoring the history of violent INSURRECTION" Insurrection?
    Really?

    Explain how sucker punching innocent people (albeit naive IMO) in the back of the head is akin to a violent INSURRECTION?
    This is the problem. This is not some fight for freedom. It's simple cowardice. It's punks finding a way to have some summer fun by way of protesters getting too nasty. You can see it in the videos. Some of the protesters actually realize by throwing , pulling hats off, screaming face to face, they created a mess, Some even attempt to hold the punks back. It's not a mass movement of violence as SA wants people to believe. Liberals are buying into this. Incredible...

    This would not have occurred with a peaceful counterprotest. Period end of story. Don't give punks an avenue to act out. This is not a blanket statement, this is specifically concerning the Trump protesters allowing punks to act out. Keep protesting but please get rid of the spitting hat pulling screaming. Use less aggressive tactics. Simple.
    Yeah violent insurrection. The gay bar in California, the LA riots, the St Louis riots, the American revolution, the Harper rebellion leading up to the Civil War, all kinds of during the 1960s for all the MLK handwaving, and all manner of violent insurrection has led to change for the better in the history of this country alone.

    People see him as an authoritarian unto Mussolini and a racist unto George Wallace, David Duke, and the nazis. He wants to oppress people setting up camps for immigrants, banning muslims, and blaming the poor. He tells his people to 'punch them in the face' and that 'he will cover their legal fees.' And you're surprised people come looking for a fight.

    And despite it coming back the other way, I suggest you go back to March when the violence was directed the other way. Prior to that they simply would be loud and try to interrupt the rallies with chants. Trump supporters started attacking them with Trump encouragement. That was when Trump started talking about paying legal fees and how things 'used to be' after they were arrested. Now that things have escalated you want to point the finger because people don't want to take the Salt March?

    It's a group of about 700 people. That you are surprised and carrying on that it escalated in the Bay area last week is hilarious considering the area. You don't call out people there as a general rule. I guess you identify as liberal and are scared to be conflated with the protesters. That's what you see as counterproductive. I don't see pluralism having to work like that.

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    Yeah violent insurrection. The gay bar in California, the LA riots, the St Louis riots, the American revolution, the Harper rebellion leading up to the Civil War, all kinds of during the 1960s for all the MLK handwaving, and all manner of violent insurrection has led to change for the better in the history of this country alone.

    People see him as an authoritarian unto Mussolini and a racist unto George Wallace, David Duke, and the nazis. He wants to oppress people setting up camps for immigrants, banning muslims, and blaming the poor. He tells his people to 'punch them in the face' and that 'he will cover their legal fees.' And you're surprised people come looking for a fight.

    And despite it coming back the other way, I suggest you go back to March when the violence was directed the other way. Prior to that they simply would be loud and try to interrupt the rallies with chants. Trump supporters started attacking them with Trump encouragement. That was when Trump started talking about paying legal fees and how things 'used to be' after they were arrested. Now that things have escalated you want to point the finger because people don't want to take the Salt March?

    It's a group of about 700 people. That you are surprised and carrying on that it escalated in the Bay area last week is hilarious considering the area. You don't call out people there as a general rule. I guess you identify as liberal and are scared to be conflated with the protesters. That's what you see as counterproductive. I don't see pluralism having to work like that.
    Sorry Fuzz.

    This is not anything like the events you named.

    So basically you agree with SA. This is a violent leftist uprising. Only you say it is in reaction to legitimate threats made by the other side. So you side with SA on his call but also go further with a call to violence. This is not the 60s and George Wallace. No way no how. We have not sent nor lost large numbers of drafted young men. You can't talk 60s without Vietnam. And we are in no way close to post WW1 and the hardships it caused resulting in horrid economic conditions required for real authoritarian leaders.

    Basically there is no way in I categorize what I commented on with the events listed above. I think people choose to think the time the live they live in is as extraordinary as others in history. I am going to say IMO you are off on this.

    I would be called liberal by some, conservative by others. Depends on which group of friends I'm with.

    Aside: In fact I would say Trump is actually garnering many votes from neutrals who see a giant establishment boogie man because of the unique nature of the primaries and the current lack of cleaner candidates.

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    Do you have relatives or friends/acquaintances who plan to vote for Trump?

    I do.

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    It will be impossible, over the long term, to maintain peace and even national unity if elite media and the Democratic party continue to condone and even encourage political violence and the systematic violation of individual rights by its radical progressive base. From Occupy to Ferguson to Baltimore to the unrest on campus, Americans have watched the liberal establishment trip over itself to express solidarity and sympathy with protesters who’ve burned, looted, shut down roads and parks, and violated the fundamental rights of American citizens. As Trump supporters are fond of pointing out on Twitter, this didn’t happen at a Trump event:

    For the better part of two years, millions of Americans have watched as violence and disruption actually work. At college campuses, radical students and allied professors and administrators will shout down dissenters, intimidate fellow students, disrupt the educational process, and win.

    [COLOR=#000000][FONT=-webkit-standard]In the streets of American cities, protesters will riot, vandalize, block traffic, and invade shops and restaurants, and they win. When the narratives (“Hands up, don’t shoot,” or “It’s open season” on black males) are debunked by facts, protesters still prevail. Police tactics change even as the national murder rate seems set for its largest e in 25 years. In the nation’s 50 largest cities, 770 more people were murdered in 2015 than in the previous year. Yet with the exception of a few courageous progressives, the Left largely hails this unrest. Even riots are excused or minimized by leading figures in the liberal intelligentsia, and mob actions that violate the free-speech rights of fellow citizens — by shouting down or shutting down events the Left doesn’t like — are whitewashed as “peaceful protest.”
    Blocking traffic good now.

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    Blocking traffic good now.
    what does it feel like to wake up everyday and have me on your mind? You live a pathetic life

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    what does it feel like to wake up everyday and have me on your mind? You live a pathetic life
    He just searched for block ambulance and your redassing came up. You sure don't want to talk about it now.

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    He just searched for block ambulance and your redassing came up. You sure don't want to talk about it now.
    Actually it was "block traffic".

    But close enough.

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    what does it feel like to wake up everyday and have me on your mind? You live a pathetic life
    Nope. Didn't search for you specifically.

    Did a thread search for "block traffic" because I remember this being a big thing you morons were ing about a few years back when it was lefty protesters doing it. Your old account came up as one of the mentions. Don't flatter yourself.

    Now is your chance to say "blocking traffic is bad no matter who does it".

    Or be a ing hypocritical piece of . Which is it? "Blocking traffic is bad, even when right-wingers do it?" or "I am a hypocritical piece of "

    Your call.

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    Nope. Didn't search for you specifically.

    Did a thread search for "block traffic" because I remember this being a big thing you morons were ing about a few years back when it was lefty protesters doing it. Your old account came up as one of the mentions. Don't flatter yourself.

    Now is your chance to say "blocking traffic is bad no matter who does it".

    Or be a ing hypocritical piece of . Which is it? "Blocking traffic is bad, even when right-wingers do it?" or "I am a hypocritical piece of "

    Your call.
    Of course blocking traffic is bad no matter who does it. And in your attempt of a gotcha you whatabout bumped a 4 year old thread with no one even discussing blocking traffic as being a big thing. You live a pathetic life

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    Of course blocking traffic is bad no matter who does it. And in your attempt of a gotcha you whatabout bumped a 4 year old thread with no one even discussing blocking traffic as being a big thing. You live a pathetic life
    pizza and Q

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    Speaking of pathetic lives...imagine following someone around everyday constantly quoting them begging for attention even though they haven't responded to you in a year and doing it thousands of times

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    Speaking of pathetic lives...imagine following someone around everyday constantly quoting them begging for attention even though they haven't responded to you in a year and doing it thousands of times
    It's fun because I can tell it gets to you when you have to write passive-aggressive posts about it.

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    Of course blocking traffic is bad no matter who does it. And in your attempt of a gotcha you whatabout bumped a 4 year old thread with no one even discussing blocking traffic as being a big thing. You live a pathetic life
    Yay. You are not a hypocritical piece of .











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