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  1. #201
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    To be fair, the teams he lost to would have swept the Bulls

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    has leaked. Kinda torn on whether to download it or not tbh

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    What a crock of ... And so biased... But hope all is well, Amb...
    So you’re saying media narratives have no hand in over or under rating players? Or are you saying my examples were all wrong?

    I didn’t even talk about Dave debusshere who’s talked about as some demigod but is a career 15/10 guy who nobody even knew played for the pistons.

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    has leaked. Kinda torn on whether to download it or not tbh
    Do it

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    Dunno. I'd watch it all at once and that'd be it. It's nice to have something to look forward to these days tbh

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    Dunno. I'd watch it all at once and that'd be it. It's nice to have something to look forward to these days tbh
    Nah
    Watch it all now and spoil everything here

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    Nah
    Watch it all now and spoil everything here
    I have grown concerned with your recent behavior

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    Related article: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...rowess-touched

    For all the talk about Jordan being a Derozan in today's NBA, I found it interesting that his scoring is closer to Dirk in terms of mid-range, and was much better.

    Jordan was unstoppable against some very good defense over the years.

    I think he would strive in today's NBA, he would have added a three point shot like he added a jumper. Some players are just better at changing their games and rise above the rest.

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    Related article: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...rowess-touched

    For all the talk about Jordan being a Derozan in today's NBA, I found it interesting that his scoring is closer to Dirk in terms of mid-range, and was much better.

    Jordan was unstoppable against some very good defense over the years.

    I think he would strive in today's NBA, he would have added a three point shot like he added a jumper. Some players are just better at changing their games and rise above the rest.
    Uh in ISO era wth guys like Ehl or undersized Starks of course he was unstoppable
    (And the refs so defenders had to be extra careful)

    He would gave yo deal with better, longer and more athletic defenders (and sone defense that he admittedly hates)

  10. #210
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    Uh in ISO era wth guys like Ehl or undersized Starks of course he was unstoppable
    (And the refs so defenders had to be extra careful)

    He would gave yo deal with better, longer and more athletic defenders (and sone defense that he admittedly hates)
    Undersized defender with brains & guts
    >
    Athletic defender with poor fundamentals and weak motor

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    Related article: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...rowess-touched

    For all the talk about Jordan being a Derozan in today's NBA, I found it interesting that his scoring is closer to Dirk in terms of mid-range, and was much better.

    Jordan was unstoppable against some very good defense over the years.

    I think he would strive in today's NBA, he would have added a three point shot like he added a jumper. Some players are just better at changing their games and rise above the rest.
    Advanced stats love MJ. Unlike Kobe he was actually an efficient and deadly scorer. There's 0 doubt that he would thrive even more in todays wide open, offense first second and third game. And yeah he'd absolutely develop a 3 ball tbh

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    Undersized defender with brains & guts
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    Athletic defender with poor fundamentals and weak motor
    Guts and brains won’t make you taller, faster, more athletic or give you better training

    det logic

  13. #213
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    Uh in ISO era wth guys like Ehl or undersized Starks of course he was unstoppable
    (And the refs so defenders had to be extra careful)

    He would gave yo deal with better, longer and more athletic defenders (and sone defense that he admittedly hates)
    Starks was 6’5 and Ehlo was 6’7”.

    If Joe ingles can put the clamps on PG13, then Ehlo would too.

    Harden was shut down by some 38 year old over the hill Argentinian.

    And Lebron by a 6’2” turtle head.

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    Starks was 6’5 and Ehlo was 6’7”.

    If Joe ingles can put the clamps on PG13, then Ehlo would too.

    Harden was shut down by some 38 year old over the hill Argentinian.

    And Lebron by a 6’2” turtle head.
    Turtle Head was much better than John Grocery Bagger Starks and Craig Uncle Joey Ehlo

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    And Lebron by a 6’2” turtle head.
    interesting memory you have, in that you seem to recall jason terry being the one guarding lebron, not marion and stevenson

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    Who cares about Lebron. He's always getting his pushed in.

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    Turtle Head was much better than John Grocery Bagger Starks and Craig Uncle Joey Ehlo
    No he’s not.

    interesting memory you have, in that you seem to recall jason terry being the one guarding lebron, not marion and stevenson
    I meant outplayed by. And a 40 year old Marion isn’t some step up.

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    No he’s not.



    I meant outplayed by. And a 40 year old Marion isn’t some step up.
    Yes he isMuch better

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    And a 40 year old Marion isn’t some step up.
    I'd say a 32 year old 6'7 Shawn Marion who was consistently among the leagues top wing defenders through his career is absolutely a step up from a 6'2 Jason Terry who was known for being mediocre defensively

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    thinking ehlo and starks > terry

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    thinking ehlo and starks > terry
    imagine

  22. #222
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    thinking ehlo and starks > terry
    The statement was "much better"

    Terry is not much better than Ehlo. Arguably equal as close shooting percentages with Craig a superior rebounder.

    Remember he drove and scored to put the Cavs up with seconds remaining in elimination game to Bulls

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    thinking ehlo and starks > terry
    Great points.

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    I'd say a 32 year old 6'7 Shawn Marion who was consistently among the leagues top wing defenders through his career is absolutely a step up from a 6'2 Jason Terry who was known for being mediocre defensively
    That’s why he was out of the league in a few years after that.

    0.4 DBPM.
    103 d rating.

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    That’s why he was out of the league in a few years after that.

    0.4 DBPM.
    103 d rating.
    claiming that jason terry is a defensive equivalent to shawn marion

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