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    Texas 600 or so deaths

    NY with Cuomo, 20,000+ deaths


    Yeah death cult for sure.
    Translation:

    "I think two states with different population densities and at different stages of the epidemic are comparable"

    That is a take, I am surprised.

    Too bad it is a take. But hey, fun to see you try for once.

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    Translation:

    "I think two states with different population densities and at different stages of the epidemic are comparable"

    That is a take, I am surprised.

    Too bad it is a take. But hey, fun to see you try for once.
    Oh so now it's about population density, not the governor.

    20K people die and you 're all "Trump killed them!"

    I point out Cuomo and you're all "Population density!"

    Texas gov wants to open businesses and you're all "death cult governor!"

    Dunning-Kruger if I ever saw it.

    Just admit you got your pushed in on det one...

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    Sorry, that's not an option. No one is going to give you a base income for being you.
    It's not an option you chose to include in your deliberately limited spectrum, but it's an option.

    A strong UBI offsets the need for unemployment payments and helps business owners as well. We haven't done enough, and that's why, yes, it's okay to about unemployment numbers while also wanting to keep separation guidelines in place.

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    It's not an option you chose to include in your deliberately limited spectrum, but it's an option.

    A strong UBI offsets the need for unemployment payments and helps business owners as well.
    Bernie conceded already.

    UBI is a red herring, nothing to do with whether or not to reopen economy.

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    Opened or closed, the UBI would still be the UBI. It's a side note, not a condition of the economy.

    Whether you call UBI unemployment or not, its still coming from the taxpayer who, if they aren't working, cannot pay taxes.
    So now we can't pay for things we haven't collected tax money for yet?

    I have some news for you.

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    So now we can't pay for things we haven't collected tax money for yet?

    I have some news for you.
    What's the difference between UBI and unemployment? Oh I know, everyone gets UBI...no need to pay in or work!

    There's a reason Sanders isn't the dem nominee.

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    What's the difference between UBI and unemployment? Oh I know, everyone gets UBI...no need to pay in or work!

    There's a reason Sanders isn't the dem nominee.
    I'm not suggesting permanent UBI.

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    I'm concerned with the notion that somehow things will return to normal. We are in the middle of a cascading events the results of which we have no idea. There are other shoes to fall, such as a collapse of our financial systems, I'm afraid. Also, TANSTAAFL....there aint no such thing as a free lunch and there's a payment to be rendered by someone (s).

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    I'm concerned with the notion that somehow things will return to normal. We are in the middle of a cascading events the results of which we have no idea. There are other shoes to fall, such as a collapse of our financial systems, I'm afraid. Also, TANSTAAFL....there aint no such thing as a free lunch and there's a payment to be rendered by someone (s).
    yep. right now CA civil courts are closed with the exception of emergency restraining orders, etc. and sure, people are talking about when courts will reopen, but there's also the concern of how they'll be able to resume jury trials. will a judge be willing to sit at a bench 25 feet away from some attorneys on some motion? sure. but are 12 jurors going to want to sit in a box next to each other for a week? no.

    are movie theaters going to start filling up once they reopen? no.

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    yep. right now CA civil courts are closed with the exception of emergency restraining orders, etc. and sure, people are talking about when courts will reopen, but there's also the concern of how they'll be able to resume jury trials. will a judge be willing to sit at a bench 25 feet away from some attorneys on some motion? sure. but are 12 jurors going to want to sit in a box next to each other for a week? no.

    are movie theaters going to start filling up once they reopen? no.
    The pandemic is the economy killer. Until it's under control, and people start to feel safer, customers and workers won't really come back. Declaring cities and states open for business won't do the trick.

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    I'm not suggesting permanent UBI.
    Oh so just unemployment.

    So the economy wouldn't be open or closed, just UBI'd? how does UBI become the 3rd option again?

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    Soon as they say it can open people will come back. People are disobeying the shelter at home orders in droves already.

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    Oh so just unemployment.

    So the economy wouldn't be open or closed, just UBI'd? how does UBI become the 3rd option again?
    I think he's suggesting something akin to the administration checks sent earlier, just for a number of months. I would think that case pertains to keeping the economy generally closed for non-essential people.

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    I think he's suggesting something akin to the administration checks sent earlier, just for a number of months. I would think that case pertains to keeping the economy generally closed for non-essential people.
    So not a 3rd option.

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    The pandemic is the economy killer. Until it's under control, and people start to feel safer, customers and workers won't really come back. Declaring cities and states open for business won't do the trick.

    I think you underestimate how stupid people are

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    "Looking forward, we estimate

    Unemployment Rate ...

    19.00% in 12 months time
    . In the long-term,

    projected to trend around 15.00% percent in 2021 and

    12.90% percent in 2022"

    https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate

    the Trash Pandemic, 100% Trash-made, has Pootin laughing his ass off at how his puppet has exceeded all expectatons, as America buggers itself and buggers itself before the world

    Steve "Lux Luthor" Bannon is exstatic at the "destruction of the administrative state"



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    Oh so just unemployment.

    So the economy wouldn't be open or closed, just UBI'd? how does UBI become the 3rd option again?
    You proposed two options to create a false dilemma (there, I did say it this time) where one cannot about unemployment if he feels the economy should remain closed to nonessential business. This seemed to be your larger point, and is what I was addressing.

    Yes, UBI falls more under your (B) option. But neither A nor B is a good option at this point because we haven't addressed the root issues for either.

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    You proposed two options to create a false dilemma (there, I did say it this time) where one cannot about unemployment if he feels the economy should remain closed to nonessential business. This seemed to be your larger point, and is what I was addressing.

    Yes, UBI falls more under your (B) option. But neither A nor B is a good option at this point because we haven't addressed the root issues for either.
    You said C) UBI

    I get it you don't like the two choices, but you didn't offer a 3rd one yet you're still calling it a false dilemma.

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    I think you underestimate how stupid people are
    You come along and remind everyone.

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    I think you underestimate how stupid people are
    I think stupid is too strong of a word. I think people are willing to examine the risk and then make a decision based on what information we have regarding the virus and chances of infection. Living in San Antonio, I feel very different about the virus than if I were to live in New York City.

    If my office were to open up, I would go back today. I would still practice social distancing and I would offer up to my staff the ability to continue working from home if they are uncomfortable or worried.

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    Oh so now it's about population density, not the governor.

    20K people die and you 're all "Trump killed them!"

    I point out Cuomo and you're all "Population density!"

    Texas gov wants to open businesses and you're all "death cult governor!"

    Dunning-Kruger if I ever saw it.

    Just admit you got your pushed in on det one...
    (facepalm)

    Dude... just, stop.

    It is a little sad and I am embarrassed for you.

    You tried to have a take, and it didn't work. ing the ball in your own end zone.

    smh

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    I think you underestimate how stupid people are
    Yes, Trump Actually Suggested Injecting Disinfectants Into Your Veins Could Cure Coronavirus
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...re-coronavirus

    I think we have all underestimated how stupid some people are.

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    I think stupid is too strong of a word. I think people are willing to examine the risk and then make a decision based on what information we have regarding the virus and chances of infection. Living in San Antonio, I feel very different about the virus than if I were to live in New York City.

    If my office were to open up, I would go back today. I would still practice social distancing and I would offer up to my staff the ability to continue working from home if they are uncomfortable or worried.
    I think a lot more are waiting for Trump and Fox "fake news" to tell them what to think, evidence be damned. The protests are very symtomatic of that. Not all right wingers are so rabidly stupid and brainwashed as to want to attend protests to open everything up, but tens of millions of people in this country actively support it.

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    I think stupid is too strong of a word. I think people are willing to examine the risk and then make a decision based on what information we have regarding the virus and chances of infection. Living in San Antonio, I feel very different about the virus than if I were to live in New York City.

    If my office were to open up, I would go back today. I would still practice social distancing and I would offer up to my staff the ability to continue working from home if they are uncomfortable or worried.
    Exponential growth is super slow early on and then just blows up to . Add an incubation time of up to two weeks for this virus and that's a lot of time to be seeding an enormous disaster when it doesn't look very bad. If your staff can work from home please mandate they do.

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    You come along and remind everyone.

    If the shoe fits.

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