Bulls: The Last Dance do entary

[Neo.]

Great points.

No he’s not.

great point

[Neo.]

The statement was "much better"

Terry is not much better than Ehlo. Arguably equal as close shooting percentages with Craig a superior rebounder.

Remember he drove and scored to put the Cavs up with seconds remaining in elimination game to Bulls

ok let's take out the last 5 seasons of Terry (where he was a corpse hanging on), and compare the two guys for the amount of time Ehlo played, which was from 22 to 35

we're talking about comparing a guy averaging nearly 16 ppg to a guy averaging 8.6 ppg. Terry a couple more assists, ehlo an extra rebound. And skill set? Not even close, Terry was far more skilled of a basketball player, that's literally not a debate nor even worth discussing. And if we want to talk about big time and clutch performances, Terry has his own share as well, including completely destroying the defending champ Lakers for a whole series, the shot in brons face, and carrying the Mavs in game 6 of the finals. So yes, it's not out of the question to consider Terry much better than Ehlo.

[lefty]

ok let's take out the last 5 seasons of Terry (where he was a corpse hanging on), and compare the two guys for the amount of time Ehlo played, which was from 22 to 35

we're talking about comparing a guy averaging nearly 16 ppg to a guy averaging 8.6 ppg. Terry a couple more assists, ehlo an extra rebound. And skill set? Not even close, Terry was far more skilled of a basketball player, that's literally not a debate nor even worth discussing. And if we want to talk about big time and clutch performances, Terry has his own share as well, including completely destroying the defending champ Lakers for a whole series, the shot in brons face, and carrying the Mavs in game 6 of the finals. So yes, it's not out of the question to consider Terry much better than Ehlo.

This

And John Starks wasn't even drafted during one of the tiest eras of the NBA
Overrated defender tbh he got lit up by pretty much every SG

But FWIW he is a better grocery bagger than Terry

And let'S not forget that between his bench warming in Houston and being stiff in Cleveland, Ehlo played for the mighty Mississipi Jets

[FrostKing]

ok let's take out the last 5 seasons of Terry (where he was a corpse hanging on), and compare the two guys for the amount of time Ehlo played, which was from 22 to 35

we're talking about comparing a guy averaging nearly 16 ppg to a guy averaging 8.6 ppg. Terry a couple more assists, ehlo an extra rebound. And skill set? Not even close, Terry was far more skilled of a basketball player, that's literally not a debate nor even worth discussing. And if we want to talk about big time and clutch performances, Terry has his own share as well, including completely destroying the defending champ Lakers for a whole series, the shot in brons face, and carrying the Mavs in game 6 of the finals. So yes, it's not out of the question to consider Terry much better than Ehlo.

1st Half of their careers: Terry is stat padding on 20-win Atlanta Hawks teams while Ehlo is on a Rockets team playing in the NBA Finals

When you compare their 5 best seasons (Terry on Mavs), nearly identical FG% from 2 and 3, Terry is scoring 2 extra baskets in an Era with more scoring

That is not much better

[Killakobe81]

Related article: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...rowess-touched

For all the talk about Jordan being a Derozan in today's NBA, I found it interesting that his scoring is closer to Dirk in terms of mid-range, and was much better.

Jordan was unstoppable against some very good defense over the years.

I think he would strive in today's NBA, he would have added a three point shot like he added a jumper. Some players are just better at changing their games and rise above the rest.

Of course he would be great today... Although his athleticism advantages would be less dominant his fundamentals are still exquisite and his first step would still be elite. Not sure i buy he would be a three point guy we have no way of knowing that for sure.. But comparing him to DD is an insult.
He would not get the joy of spin dunks on Rick Carlisle types though...

[FrostKing]

Of course he would be great today... Although his athleticism advantages would be less dominant his fundamentals are still exquisite and his first step would still be elite. Not sure i buy he would be a three point guy we have no way of knowing that for sure.. But comparing him to DD is an insult.
He would not get the joy of spin dunks on Rick Carlisle types though...

No one in this thread has yet brought it up - the Triangle offense. How does that translate to the current game

[lefty]

No one in this thread has yet brought it up - the Triangle offense. How does that translate to the current game

It's outdated today

[FrostKing]

It's outdated today

Not sure outdated is the correct term. Maybe no longer needed because current day NBA resembles gym play with no collective strategy or cohesiveness.

Triangle offense was a response to the Piston's 'Jordan Rules'. Today's NBA lacks such layers and depth.

[lefty]

Not sure outdated is the correct term. Maybe no longer needed because current day NBA resembles gym play with no collective strategy or cohesiveness.

Triangle offense was a response to the Piston's 'Jordan Rules'. Today's NBA lacks such layers and depth.

I think the triangle wouldnt work today because of zone defense

[Dirks_Finale]

It didn't even work in the previous eras for anyone not named Phil Jackson. Others like Jim Clemons tried and failed with it. Overrated offense that succeeded because it's teams had the world's top players.

I think the triangle wouldnt work today because of zone defense

[ambchang]

claiming that jason terry is a defensive equivalent to shawn marion

Trying to compare Jason terry with John Starks and crush Ehlo when turtlehead outplayed Lebron while Jordan use Starks and Ehlo has his personal toilet seats.

[ambchang]

great point

My bad. Left out some emojis. That would’ve made it a great point.

[ambchang]

Of course he would be great today... Although his athleticism advantages would be less dominant his fundamentals are still exquisite and his first step would still be elite. Not sure i buy he would be a three point guy we have no way of knowing that for sure.. But comparing him to DD is an insult.
He would not get the joy of spin dunks on Rick Carlisle types though...

Jordan’s three got progressively better later in his career.

It’s not like the three is such a disgustingly difficult shot to make for nbaers. Brook Lopez and Lamarcus Aldridge is getting better through time.

As for defense there are still the Marco bellenellis and James Hardens of the world. You guys make it sound like the league is covered with prime Kawhi.

Besides I still consider rodman and Pippen better than every single wing defender in the league today. And then there’s Gary Payton as well.

[ambchang]

No one in this thread has yet brought it up - the Triangle offense. How does that translate to the current game

The triangle is a hugely overrated offence. It never worked anywhere else. So I’m inclined to say the bulls won because of Jordan and Pippen who would excel in just about any offence.

[FrostKing]

The triangle is a hugely overrated offence. It never worked anywhere else. So I’m inclined to say the bulls won because of Jordan and Pippen who would excel in just about any offence.

I think Kukoc's versatility was important. But often overlooked is that the constant movement resulted in defenders out of position allowing Rodman to feast on offensive boards.

[Neo.]

1st Half of their careers: Terry is stat padding on 20-win Atlanta Hawks teams while Ehlo is on a Rockets team playing in the NBA Finals

When you compare their 5 best seasons (Terry on Mavs), nearly identical FG% from 2 and 3, Terry is scoring 2 extra baskets in an Era with more scoring

That is not much better

So basically ehlo couldn't crack the lineup of a finals team, while terry was the #2 option on multiple finals teams, one of which won a championship?

Sounds like terry is much better to me

[Neo.]

Trying to compare Jason terry with John Starks and crush Ehlo when turtlehead outplayed Lebron while Jordan use Starks and Ehlo has his personal toilet seats.

um, ok? i don't think you even know what the heck you're talking about at this point

My bad. Left out some emojis. That would’ve made it a great point.

so why don't you make it a great point

oh bc you cant bc it's clearly re ed to think ehlo had anywhere near the career Jason Terry had

[Neo.]

Besides I still consider rodman and Pippen better than every single wing defender in the league today. And then there’s Gary Payton as well.

and who were the dominant wing scorers they were having to defend? Penny? Clyde? Reggie? rofl

let's see how they do having to defend a guy like Wade, Pierce, Kobe, LeBron, KD, harden, Melo, PG, derozen, etc on a nighly basis. The league has far more wing scoring threats than ever, thanks to how Mike changed the game

[lefty]

Jordan’s three got progressively better later in his career.

It’s not like the three is such a disgustingly difficult shot to make for nbaers. Brook Lopez and Lamarcus Aldridge is getting better through time.

As for defense there are still the Marco bellenellis and James Hardens of the world. You guys make it sound like the league is covered with prime Kawhi.

Besides I still consider rodman and Pippen better than every single wing defender in the league today. And then there’s Gary Payton as well.

Jordan’s 3 percentage went up during the shortened line era and went back to a ty 29% when the NBA went back to the regular 3 pt line

[lefty]

So basically ehlo couldn't crack the lineup of a finals team, while terry was the #2 option on multiple finals teams, one of which won a championship?

Sounds like terry is much better to me

Well duh
It’s common sense

And Terry didn’t play for the Mississipi Jets

[TDMVPDPOY]

jordan benefitted from putting ewing on the posters, large media market...

now replace ewing 91-93 with either drob, olujuwon 91-93...do the knicks get pass the bulls?

[FrostKing]

jordan benefitted from putting ewing on the posters, large media market...

now replace ewing 91-93 with either drob, olujuwon 91-93...do the knicks get pass the bulls?

Comparing Ewing's numbers in the playoffs versus the Bulls

In 1991 he had a poor showing and the Knicks were swept. But in 1989, 1992, 1993 and 1996 he had strong series as the Knicks best player on the court.


There wasn't much of an increase in his production in 1994 when the NYK finally broke thru. Which player upped their game - John Starks.

[HarlemHeat37]

Episode 5 is the best, tbh. It highlights why Jordan is so beloved by Caucasians.

[ambchang]

um, ok? i don't think you even know what the heck you're talking about at this point



so why don't you make it a great point

oh bc you cant bc it's clearly re ed to think ehlo had anywhere near the career Jason Terry had

The point was that terry wasn’t much better than Starks or Ehlo and he outplayed Lebron whole Jordan destroyed the other two on a regular basis.

Starks made the all star team. Was strong on defense.

Terry was a good scorer.

Ehlo was a good defender and smart shooter.

They are all role players.

[ambchang]

and who were the dominant wing scorers they were having to defend? Penny? Clyde? Reggie? rofl

let's see how they do having to defend a guy like Wade, Pierce, Kobe, LeBron, KD, harden, Melo, PG, derozen, etc on a nighly basis. The league has far more wing scoring threats than ever, thanks to how Mike changed the game

As the entire perimeter defense is changed?

Drexler Payton penny and hill are on the same level with the wades and pierces of the world.

Ever wonder why perimeter play is so dominant now? Rule changes.