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    NZ is barely moving to level 3 lockdown. (basically similar to US lockdown) they will stay at level 3 for a while

    so no they have not defeated anything
    New Zealand is a nation run by responsible adults who value human life. The US just wants to stop paying unemployment. New Zealand is a civilized country. We're a failed hole.

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    I've asked before, and I'll ask again: does anyone think that the administration has done a good job responding to the pandemic? Can anyone defend what DJT has done without complaining about Democrats/China/etc...?

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    Isn’t that what you say about planned parenthood?

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    I've asked before, and I'll ask again: does anyone think that the administration has done a good job responding to the pandemic? Can anyone defend what DJT has done without complaining about Democrats/China/etc...?
    Well the GOP response was to stop some travel from China and sell off stock. They did a Great Job.

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    Maybe we shouldn't get hopes up too high for a vaccine, for similar reasons that we're not holding our breath for vaccines for the common cold.


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    And a lot of the Chinese "protective gear" everyone is buying sucks...

    Even by the Chinese government’s own numbers, they’re producing jaw-dropping quan ies of medical equipment that aren’t up to the right standards: “As of last Friday, China’s market regulators had inspected nearly 16 million businesses and seized more than 89 million masks and 418,000 pieces of protective gear, said Ms Gan Lin, deputy director of the State Administration of Market Regulation, at a press briefing.”

    And that’s just the stuff they’re catching before it goes out the door.

    Almost every country that is dealing with the SARS-CoV-2 outbreak has ordered masks, tests, or personal protective equipment from China, only to open the boxes and find that the deliveries are unusable. In some cases, the equipment was distributed and used before the poor quality was discovered — offering false protection to medical personnel and exacerbating the spread of the virus instead of mitigating it.

    Let’s begin closest to home, in Missouri: “Approximately 48,000 KN95 masks that were distributed to Missouri’s first responders are being recalled. The Missouri State Emergency Management Agency said it is recalling approximately 48,000 KN95 masks that ‘do not meet standards.’ SEMA said the recalled masks may bear the names ‘Huabai,’ ‘SANQUI,’ or be unmarked, with Chinese characters on the cellophane packaging, or other names.”

    Spin a globe, point your finger, and when the globe stops, there’s a good chance it will reach a country that received defective equipment when it needed functioning gear and tests the most.

    India tested nearly a half a million people before they realized that they can’t be certain that the tests they had obtained from China aren’t giving accurate results:

    According to the sources, teams cons uted by ICMR are analysing the rapid antibody test kits, procured from two Chinese firms, to check their efficacy after some states reported that they are faulty and giving inaccurate results.

    The Indian Council of Medical Research (ICMR) on Tuesday had advised states to stop using the rapid antibody test kits for the next two days after it received complaints from states that they are not fully effective.

    “We have received complaint from one state and so far discussed the issue with three states. High variations ranging from 6 to 71 percent have been reported between the results of the rapid tests and RT-PCR tests. We will advise states not to use these testing kits for the next two days,” Dr Raman R Gangakhedkar, head of epidemiology and communicable diseases at the ICMR.

    Spain has all kinds of horror stories, one of which is finding that a huge batch of tests was faulty — a batch that was sent to replace a previous shipment of faulty tests:

    The Spanish government is trying to get back the money it paid for 640,000 antigen coronavirus tests that it purchased via a Spanish distributor from a Chinese company called Bioeasy. The move comes after the health authorities found that the kits – which were meant to replace another lot that was found to be faulty – don’t work either. As happened the first time around, these tests do not have the sensitivity required to detect the virus, meaning that there is a high chance that they won’t detect the coronavirus in a person who has been infected.

    Spain had distributed 180,000 tests to be used on health-care workers and the elderly living in nursing homes . . . before finding out the error rate was so high, the test results were meaningless.

    The Spanish Health Ministry had to recall more than 350,000 defective masks.

    After the defective masks were discovered, more than 100 health workers were forced to go into isolation as the pandemic raged through the country.

    The General Hospital of Alicante, Spain found roaches in a shipment of protective gowns.

    Belgium: “The University Hospital of Leuven (UZ Leuven) refused a shipment of 3,000 masks from China because the equipment was not reliable enough, Herman Devrieze, head of the prevention department at UZ Leuven, told local TV station ROBtv on Sunday evening.”

    In the Netherlands:

    The Dutch government has ordered a recall of around 600,000 masks out of a shipment of 1.3 million from China after they failed to meet quality standards. The defective masks had already been distributed to several hospitals currently battling the COVID-19 outbreak, news agency AFP and Dutch media reported. The Dutch Health Ministry has kept the rest of the shipment on hold.

    An inspection revealed that the FFP2 masks did not protect the face properly or had defective filter membranes. The fine filters stop the virus from entering the mouth or nose. The masks failed more than one inspection.

    “A second test also revealed that the masks did not meet the quality norms. Now it has been decided not to use any of this shipment,” said the Health Ministry said in a statement to news agency AFP.

    In Austria, more masks that aren’t so protective: “A large delivery of FFP2 and FFP3 protective masks destined for South Tyrol, which were procured from China with the help of a sporting goods manufacturer and which were first transported to Vienna-Schwechat with an AUA machine, cannot be used . . . The Red Cross was taken aback during a visual inspection of the masks because gaps were visible in the area of ​​the cheeks.” The order was for 500,000 masks.

    United Kingdom: “Found to be insufficiently accurate by a laboratory at Oxford University, half a million of the tests are now gathering dust in storage. Another 1.5 million bought at a similar price from other sources have also gone unused. The fiasco has left embarrassed British officials scrambling to get back at least some of the money.”

    The Czech Republic: Doctors found an error rate of up to 80 percent in the tests they received from China. “Health-care authorities and some government members said the 300,000 quick tests purchased by the state only worked if patients had been infected for at least five days.”

    Turkey: “Turkish Health Minister Fahrettin Koca confirmed later on Friday that Turkey had tried some rapid antigen tests arrived from China, but authorities ‘weren’t happy about them . . . We didn’t release them for public use.’ Koca also said that Turkey had received a different and viable testing kits that are based on antibodies from China. ‘We have 350,000 of them now,’ he said. A member of the Turkish health ministry special science board on coronavirus said that the batch of testing kits were only 30 to 35 percent accurate.”

    Slovakia: “The 1.2 million Chinese antibody tests that the Slovak government bought from local middlemen for 15 million euros ($16 million) are inaccurate and unable to detect COVID-19 in its early stages, according to Prime Minister Igor Matovic, who only took office last month. ‘We have a ton and no use for them,’ he said. They should ‘just be thrown straight into the Danube.’”

    Canada: “The Canadian government says about one million of the face masks it has purchased from China have failed to meet proper standards for health care professionals and will not be distributed to provinces or cities . . . [Separately], the City of Toronto announced in early April it was recalling more than 60,000 faulty surgical masks made in China and provided to staff at long-term care facilities, and is investigating whether caregivers were exposed to COVID-19 while wearing the equipment. The masks were distributed and then recalled after reports of ripping and tearing.”

    Australia: “The ABC has learnt that in recent weeks, Australian Border Force (ABF) officers have intercepted several deliveries of personal protective equipment (PPE) that have been found to be counterfeit or otherwise faulty. One law enforcement official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, estimated the ABF had already seized 800,000 masks with a combined value of more than $1.2 million on the Australian market.”

    The government of Georgia — the nation, not the state between South Carolina and Florida — canceled a contract for up to 200,000 rapid tests after concluding they weren’t reliable.

    Finland found two million masks ordered from China were unusable, and the head of the country’s emergency supply agency resigned. That country ordered its masks from “a payday lender and reality TV star” in China.

    Nepal determined that the 75,000 rapid diagnostic tests they had ordered from China were so faulty they were unusable.

    Finally, one Pakistani news channel says that hospitals in that country opened up boxes of masks from China, only to find they had been made out of . . . underwear.

    Add up all of these accounts and you get 10,276,000 faulty tests, masks, and pieces of personal protective equipment. And these are just the ones we know about. The stuff that was visibly unusable right out of the box, while frustrating, is the least damaging. It’s the tests that showed negative when they were positive and the non-protective masks given out to health-care workers that are catastrophic.

    On March 30, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunyin contended that the coverage of the faulty equipment was driven by political agendas. “Our sincerity and assistance is real. If problems occur in this process, the Chinese side will talk to relevant departments. Problems should be properly solved based on facts, not political interpretations.”

    On January 23, China stopped all public transportation in Wuhan and all outbound flights. On February 3, China’s civil aviation authority urged domestic carriers to continue flying international routes. The country knew they had an outbreak of a contagious disease but made sure its citizens were still traveling the world.

    Then, as the outbreak accelerated, China was there to sell the suffering countries medical equipment — “demanding yes-or-no decisions from buyers with full payment upfront in as little as 24 hours.”

    In the Wall Street Journal, Spanish writer Jorge González-Gallarza Hernández thinks it is time for countries to ban imports of medical equipment from China, arguing that the complete lack of quality control makes their exports a menace to public health: “Because no other country matches China in the sale of defective equipment — and at a time when Beijing boasts about recovering from Covid-19 — countries facing steep contagion curves should err on the side of caution and look for the best equipment elsewhere. For all Beijing’s lofty talk of wanting to help the world, it has no export-restriction system to prevent the foreign sale of shoddy equipment.”
    How different is that than status quo from China?

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    Maybe we shouldn't get hopes up too high for a vaccine, for similar reasons that we're not holding our breath for vaccines for the common cold.


    That's why I'm more interested in therapeutics

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    That's why I'm more interested in therapeutics
    Last year was the first time in my life I actually got a flu shot (don't recall getting one in the military, not certain though). Never had any symptoms of the flu, ever.

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    I've asked before, and I'll ask again: does anyone think that the administration has done a good job responding to the pandemic? Can anyone defend what DJT has done without complaining about Democrats/China/etc...?
    When you have 4% of the world's population, yet 1/3 of covid cases and 1/4 of covid deaths, there is no metric which says the US did a good job.

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    Last year was the first time in my life I actually got a flu shot (don't recall getting one in the military, not certain though). Never had any symptoms of the flu, ever.
    I haven't had the flu in over a decade. But, I work at home and rarely have to travel.

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    When you have 4% of the world's population, yet 1/3 of covid cases and 1/4 of covid deaths, there is no metric which says the US did a good job.
    the US does have a 3rd world healthcare system tbqh

    not even Obama on PCP woulda been able to save us

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    That's why I'm more interested in therapeutics
    You're more interested in putting on a band aid than an actual cure? Brave

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    You're more interested in putting on a band aid than an actual cure? Brave
    there is no cure. this is a virus

    a vaccine would be the only hope but looks like this virus is not a good fit for a vaccine

    so we might be ed

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    the US does have a 3rd world healthcare system tbqh

    not even Obama on PCP woulda been able to save us
    1st world healthcare system (best hospitals in the world, research, most ICU beds per capita in the world), but 3rd world application of it because it's all about profit.

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    I haven't had the flu in over a decade. But, I work at home and rarely have to travel.
    Being in the pool while on a conference call is pretty sweet.

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    1st world healthcare system (best hospitals in the world, research, most ICU beds per capita in the world), but 3rd world application of it because it's all about profit.
    You credited profit motive for application but what do you credit for "best in the world" for the things you mentioned? Would that also be profit motive?

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    You credited profit motive for application but what do you credit for "best in the world" for the things you mentioned? Would that also be profit motive?
    I'm guessing the former is because of massive investment and still extremely high costs to fund universities where most of those things stem from. The latter is because it is distributed through private insurance companies.

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    When you have 4% of the world's population, yet 1/3 of covid cases and 1/4 of covid deaths, there is no metric which says the US did a good job.
    Exactly. But I find it funny that no cultists are chomping at the bit in responding to me to show how great of a job their Jim Jones has done.

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    Exactly. But I find it funny that no cultists are chomping at the bit in responding to me to show how great of a job their Jim Jones has done.
    They're mostly mathematically and computer illiterate (Dale), or dumb as (the rest of them you find in TGW mentions)

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    You're more interested in putting on a band aid than an actual cure? Brave
    I guess you don't mind waiting two years (or more).

    We need something similar to Tamiflu, but for covid.

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    https://www.promiseskept.com/achieve...omy-and-jobs/#



    U.S. Gross Domestic Product (GDP) growth has soared under President Trump, topping 3% in 4 quarters under his administration.
    President Trump is unleashing economic growth and jobs. Since his election, the Trump administration’s pro-growth policies have generated 6 million new jobs, the unemployment rate has fallen to its lowest point in 50 years, and wages have grown at more than 3% for 10 months in a row.
    President Trump has worked to improve access to affordable quality health care.
    President Trump is modernizing the United States military to meet the security needs of the 21st century.
    So many L's

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    Exactly. But I find it funny that no cultists are chomping at the bit in responding to me to show how great of a job their Jim Jones has done.
    Not a valid metric when the most populous countries by far aren't reporting accurately. Don't use bull numbers to prove a point.

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    When you have 4% of the world's population, yet 1/3 of covid cases and 1/4 of covid deaths, there is no metric which says the US did a good job.
    This is the problem with reporting COVID numbers. Some countries don't want to be called out so they don't report accurately then someone like you uses the reported numbers as if they are factual when making value judgments. That totally ignores these lying governments, which is what they want. Good job propping up Xi.

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    Maybe we shouldn't get hopes up too high for a vaccine, for similar reasons that we're not holding our breath for vaccines for the common cold.

    Looks like we might have a working vaccine by September...

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/w...te-oxford.html

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