Canada bans assault-style weapons after its worst ever mass murder

[Nathan89]

But guns cause an overwhelming number of those. Nice try, though.

Are you talking about guns or AR-15s now?

[baseline bum]

Nicholas Cruz didn't go through any process to buy his AR-15. Slapped the money down and walked out with an AR-15.

Not a peep from the second amendment crowd when Trump made the rifles Stephen Paddock used to murder a bunch of people in Vegas illegal. Because none of the big manufacturers the NRA is a trade lobby for made bump stocks. But since they make the rifles Nicolas Cruz used to murder a bunch of kids in Florida it's so critical to protect them. This whole second amendment movement is a bunch of people being used for the purpose of keeping big gun manufacturers from being regulated. Gun rights are the one thing I actually used to really like about the Republican party and hate about the Democrats, but now Trump has laid it out crystal clear that muh gun rights is really about protecting the profits of large gun manufacturers.

[DMC]

What? That's where it was originally sold back in the day. There's "no demand" because hardware stores aren't allowed to sell it anymore. If hardware stores could, every redneck Tom, , and Harry would buy that up to blow up for fun.

[baseline bum]

Are you talking about guns or AR-15s now?

Not a peep from you when bump stocks were made illegal though they were only responsible for 58 deaths in the history of this nation. Because it was Trump who did it. There would have been so much autistic screeching though if it was Obama or Clinton taking them away.

[midnightpulp]

Nah, the emotional is clearly pushing their agenda on the masses through children. Mass crowds that have zero knowledge on the statistics behind guns. If you'd recognize that you'd realize how foolish/irrelevant your stance about liberals current position on guns really is.

Who do you think you're talking to? I know all the statistics. And I'll reiterate: We've had over 100 mass shootings of the "guy shoots up a public space of innocent people" variety over the past twenty years. I don't give a how "rare" these events are. Shooting up a school or church is something that should rarely, as in maybe once every 50 years rare, happen in a so-called "civilized society." I realize making these events a zero factor is impossible, but we should endeavor to make them "more rarer." Guess what. They aren't becoming more rare. https://www.christianforums.com/data...469247d237.png

This is like saying, "Well, since the OKC bombing was 'rare,' people should be allowed to have explosives." Point is, one in' OKC is one too many. Similarly, one Las Vegas or Newton is one/two too many.

[ElNono]

Yep, but it's a binary explosive and highly regulated. He's not wrong dynamite is banned for the general consumer.

[DMC]

Yep, but it's a binary explosive and highly regulated. He's not wrong dynamite is banned for the general consumer.

"Persons manufacturing explosives for their own personal, non-business use only (e.g., personal target practice) are not required to have a Federal explosives license or permit."[5] However, "persons falling into certain categories are prohibited from possessing explosive materials".[5] Those prohibited from possessing explosives include most non-citizens, unlawful drug users and addicts, those convicted or indicted for serious crimes, fugitives, and those who have been officially declared mentally defective or have been committed to a mental ins ution.[5] Restrictions imposed at the state and local level also apply.[3][5] In California in particular, a permit may be required to use or possess the product.[6]

Various regulations also govern the storage of unmixed explosives. As oxidizers and combustibles, the unmixed components still have some shipping restrictions in the United States.[8][9]

Tannerite isn't an explosive if it's in binary form. The loophole is you have to mix it onsite, and cannot transport afterward without permit.

[DMC]

“From 1979-1996 (before gun law reforms), 13 fatal mass shootings occurred in Australia, whereas from 1997 through May 2016 (after gun law reforms), no fatal mass shootings occurred,” they wrote.

Depends on the definition you use. The mass shootings in question are this kind: One definition is an act of public firearm violence—excluding gang killings, domestic violence, or terrorist acts sponsored by an organization—in which a shooter kills at least four victims.

Tell me the last time a gunman shot up a concert from a hotel window or a killed 26 elementary school children in Australia. I'll wait (forever).

Before the ban



After the ban



I realize how convenient it is to use that one event and ignore all the others, but the two images are not noticeably different other than the Port Author massacre.

Australia never had a mass shooting epidemic.

[DMC]

Not a peep from you when bump stocks were made illegal though they were only responsible for 58 deaths in the history of this nation. Because it was Trump who did it. There would have been so much autistic screeching though if it was Obama or Clinton taking them away.

Most gun owners I know who give 2 s about automatic weapons are against bump stocks for a couple reasons. 1. They cheapen the concept of an automatic weapon 2. They aren't required to use that same shooting style, just loop a finger through a belt hole and it works the same way.

[Blake]

If you are intimidated by people carrying guns then you should not be a politician.

Jesus you're re ed.

[midnightpulp]

Australia never had a mass shooting epidemic.

Hey, I'm fine with the argument "guns don't kill people, people do." So if Aussies never had a mass shooting epidemic prior to the ban, and the ban is correlational at best in preventing more Port Arthur style massacres, this perhaps suggests Australians are responsible gun owners and/or more mentally stable than Americans? If we used the criteria from your posted pictures (including drive bys and gang fights), the US count would be in the thousands, not the dozens like the Aussies here. So maybe it's not guns that are the problem, but guns plus Americans that are the problem? After, we're the most pilled up, physically unhealthy, drug addicted nation in the so-called 1st world.

I've always felt that way to an extent, that Americans in general are too irresponsible/mentally unstable to honor the privileges the 2nd amendment affords. Proof is in the pudding here. Why didn't any other country have a mass shooting epidemic like America when gun control was more lax?

[Blake]

This is wrong too.

They know they cannot battle the US military or even the police force. Only an idiot would think otherwise.

Technically, more gun control = more gun grabbing, because there's never enough gun control to suit the anti-gun crowd as long as people still own guns.

More slippery slope

[Blake]

Most gun owners I know who give 2 s about automatic weapons are against bump stocks for a couple reasons. 1. They cheapen the concept of an automatic weapon 2. They aren't required to use that same shooting style, just loop a finger through a belt hole and it works the same way.

More anecdotes

[Blake]

"Persons manufacturing explosives for their own personal, non-business use only (e.g., personal target practice) are not required to have a Federal explosives license or permit."[5]

BUT IF WE START REQUIRING PERMITS IT'LL NEVER END UNTIL ALL MUH GUNS ARE SNATCHED UP BY THE LEFT

[ElNono]

"Persons manufacturing explosives for their own personal, non-business use only (e.g., personal target practice) are not required to have a Federal explosives license or permit."[5] However, "persons falling into certain categories are prohibited from possessing explosive materials".[5] Those prohibited from possessing explosives include most non-citizens, unlawful drug users and addicts, those convicted or indicted for serious crimes, fugitives, and those who have been officially declared mentally defective or have been committed to a mental ins ution.[5] Restrictions imposed at the state and local level also apply.[3][5] In California in particular, a permit may be required to use or possess the product.[6]

Various regulations also govern the storage of unmixed explosives. As oxidizers and combustibles, the unmixed components still have some shipping restrictions in the United States.[8][9]

Tannerite isn't an explosive if it's in binary form. The loophole is you have to mix it onsite, and cannot transport afterward without permit.

Yep, transportation of non-binary explosives is banned by the ATF. We did that in the name of safety, and that was a good decision, IMO.

[DMC]

Hey, I'm fine with the argument "guns don't kill people, people do." So if Aussies never had a mass shooting epidemic prior to the ban, and the ban is correlational at best in preventing more Port Arthur style massacres, this perhaps suggests Australians are responsible gun owners and/or more mentally stable than Americans? If we used the criteria from your posted pictures (including drive bys and gang fights), the US count would be in the thousands, not the dozens like the Aussies here. So maybe it's not guns that are the problem, but guns plus Americans that are the problem? After, we're the most pilled up, physically unhealthy, drug addicted nation in the so-called 1st world.

I've always felt that way to an extent, that Americans in general are too irresponsible/mentally unstable to honor the privileges the 2nd amendment affords. Proof is in the pudding here. Why didn't any other country have a mass shooting epidemic like America when gun control was more lax?

The bottom line is Australia's gun ban did not change their gun violence. They had one event before that was significant. They still have shootings. A person willing to kill everyone in their own family and turn the gun on themselves could very well walk into a mall and kill plenty. The ability is there.

In my travels around other countries, one think I noticed is the lack of general disgust with other people like here in the US. You see these people get into fights outside a nightclub in Sweden, one guy knocks the out of the other, dude falls, they roll him over and drag him off the sidewalk. Here in the US someone not even in the fray would run up and stomp his head, then someone else would steal his wallet. Hatred and lack of give-a- about people in general in this country makes mass killings just a step further than suicide. I don't get the thing with the kids, mental illness I suppose, but some others.. those people have lived lives of not really giving 2 s about anyone. Whatever causes that, I don't know. Maybe they weren't raised properly.

[BD24]

Prove it move your ass there
Live in there
They flock to Yuma all the time though
They love the az gun laws

He already lives there you stupid

[DMC]

Yep, transportation of non-binary explosives is banned by the ATF. We did that in the name of safety, and that was a good decision, IMO.

It's a placebo. You can easily mix explosives for use where you stop. It takes seconds to pour dry powder into dry powder. , the OKC bomber used fertilizer and a catalyst, perhaps diesel.

In fact, a lot of the laws are placebos. The bump stock ban is a huge placebo and accomplishes basically nothing but appeasing the gun ignorant crowd.

[Blake]

The bottom line is Australia's gun ban did not change their gun violence. They had one event before that was significant. They still have shootings. A person willing to kill everyone in their own family and turn the gun on themselves could very well walk into a mall and kill plenty. The ability is there.

So why make any more difficult for killers to get the guns if they're just gonna get them any way, amirite?

In my travels around other countries, one think I noticed is the lack of general disgust with other people like here in the US. You see these people get into fights outside a nightclub in Sweden, one guy knocks the out of the other, dude falls, they roll him over and drag him off the sidewalk. Here in the US someone not even in the fray would run up and stomp his head, then someone else would steal his wallet. Hatred and lack of give-a- about people in general in this country makes mass killings just a step further than suicide. I don't get the thing with the kids, mental illness I suppose, but some others.. those people have lived lives of not really giving 2 s about anyone. Whatever causes that, I don't know. Maybe they weren't raised properly.

Cool more anecdotes

[Nathan89]

I love when disingenuous people use "slippery slope" to hide obvious realities.

[ElNono]

Hey, I'm fine with the argument "guns don't kill people, people do." So if Aussies never had a mass shooting epidemic prior to the ban, and the ban is correlational at best in preventing more Port Arthur style massacres, this perhaps suggests Australians are responsible gun owners and/or more mentally stable than Americans? If we used the criteria from your posted pictures (including drive bys and gang fights), the US count would be in the thousands, not the dozens like the Aussies here. So maybe it's not guns that are the problem, but guns plus Americans that are the problem? After, we're the most pilled up, physically unhealthy, drug addicted nation in the so-called 1st world.

I've always felt that way to an extent, that Americans in general are too irresponsible/mentally unstable to honor the privileges the 2nd amendment affords. Proof is in the pudding here. Why didn't any other country have a mass shooting epidemic like America when gun control was more lax?

Minorities like the ones at this event give a bad name to responsible gun owners, tbh... I'd like to think the majority of Americans are actually pretty responsible with their gun fetish, otherwise we would have a lot more incidents reported.

What's sorta puzzling is responsible owners not coming out to condemn this. Clowns like these are probably a bigger threat to their gun rights than 'the left'.

[DMC]

More slippery slope

When "gun control" is being used as a nebulous term, the slope is very slippery. Keep puking out logical fallacy accusations though Blake. It's impressive

[DMC]

More anecdotes

With a video for proof.

[Blake]

I love when disingenuous people use "slippery slope" to hide obvious realities.

It's actually annoying when disingenuous people want their fallacy to count as a real argument.

[ElNono]

It's a placebo. You can easily mix explosives for use where you stop. It takes seconds to pour dry powder into dry powder. , the OKC bomber used fertilizer and a catalyst, perhaps diesel.

In fact, a lot of the laws are placebos. The bump stock ban is a huge placebo and accomplishes basically nothing but appeasing the gun ignorant crowd.

And now we track and regulate ammonium nitrate sales and transport. It isn't a placebo, it's a deterrent. Whereas before you could claim ignorance and go on your merry way, now you have some explaining to do. It's the right thing to do.