Bulls: The Last Dance do entary

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Jordan was such a meanie

[Neo.]

Nobody said those factors didn't have impact, just that the perimeter defense rule changes were the main drivers.

well your proof that the rule changes were the main drivers, was that scoring went up for several perimeter players. but there clearly were a number of other factors that caused their scoring increases. so what is your proof that the rule change was the main driver?

And since we are talking about Grant Hill, 00 would've had one more perimeter top 10 scorer if he wasn't hurt. The league clearly went from a paint focused league to a perimeter oriented league that one single year.

really? all in one year? mainly because of the rule changes? as opposed to several years of highly talented perimeter players being drafted, and strategy evolving to focus less on low post offense and more on penetration and high post offense?

And why did you even bring up Glen Rice? The guy scored 16ppg the year before, and his place in the offense was filled in by Fox and Fisher.

hm was it really? because i dont think anyone would consider either of those guys remotely as talented of a scorer as glen rice, nor as good of spot up shooters

not only that, but they together averaged 8.8 more points than they did the previous season. so that still leaves around another 7 points from glen rices departure not accounted for. oh wait, kobe's average went up 6 points. but i guess its not logical to think that some of that scoring load would be taken on by kobe

You sound like that year was the only year marquee players had some half decent scoring teammates traded away.

never claimed that at all. I simply brought up some counterpoints to your incredibly weak argument that the rule change was the primary reason for scoring increases for several young, highly talented wing players.

[lefty]

Some of you accused the series of being "Jordan washed" and will avoid controversial topics

Wrong.

It is washed

[Killakobe81]

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/3083391001

Interesting story... Says some of the same things Jamstone said last week.
MJ is the Goat but dude is petty, narcissistic and punched teammates. He gambled in to late hours before big games... If LeBron did that he would be crucified.
The doc is showing you the acrobatic layups, dunks and shots that made him the Goat... But those not willing to admit he was a ty teammate, employee (how many black man working at a multimillion dollar en y can call the president of that company, fat to his face?) etc. Gambling may or not be why he took a leave from hoops...doubt the full truth will ever be revealed...
But he still the best no matter what we see though ... because the resume can't be beat.

[Killakobe81]

It is funny that people on Bird, Malone, Kobe Isiah etc for being ty people in their personal lives but give MJ a pass for everything

[Dirks_Finale]

He has major character flaws. If his HOF speech didn't convince people of that, then nothing will.

Still not even close between him and Lebron, imo. There is no real GOAT debate.

Lebron has his own ego issues and is delusional as

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/3083391001

Interesting story... Says some of the same things Jamstone said last week.
MJ is the Goat but dude is petty, narcissistic and punched teammates. He gambled in to late hours before big games... If LeBron did that he would be crucified.
The doc is showing you the acrobatic layups, dunks and shots that made him the Goat... But those not willing to admit he was a ty teammate, employee (how many black man working at a multimillion dollar en y can call the president of that company, fat to his face?) etc. Gambling may or not be why he took a leave from hoops...doubt the full truth will ever be revealed...
But he still the best no matter what we see the because the resume can't be beat.

[FrostKing]

The do entary covered all this in the previous 2 episodes

Are some of you not paying attention and failing to put one and two together? Michael is GOAT because of uber compe iveness that includes gambling and battling teammates

Michael molded his teammates. He didn't run off to another team/roster or better yet try and play GM. He did it the old fashioned way.

[benefactor]

I haven't watched a single episode and I don't plan on it. Jordan's act is tired. We get it Mike, you can't let your old scores you don't feel you fully settled go...and you never will. He'll be an old man someday still talking about Jerry Krause and Isaiah Thomas to anyone who will ing listen.

[FrostKing]

I haven't watched a single episode and I don't plan on it. Jordan's act is tired. We get it Mike, you can't let your old scores you don't feel you fully settled go...and you never will. He'll be an old man someday still talking about Jerry Krause and Isaiah Thomas to anyone who will ing listen.

Huh? He didn't hit the social media trail to . Didn't even do the daytime television circle. There is a do entary and these are questions people are asking. Do you expect him to avoid the questions or lie? If anything it is Isiah that attempts to spin what occurred thru a hindsight perspective. And MJ calls him out on it.

[lefty]

It is funny that people on Bird, Malone, Kobe Isiah etc for being ty people in their personal lives but give MJ a pass for everything

True

By the way you forgot Magic

[lefty]

I haven't watched a single episode and I don't plan on it. Jordan's act is tired. We get it Mike, you can't let your old scores you don't feel you fully settled go...and you never will. He'll be an old man someday still talking about Jerry Krause and Isaiah Thomas to anyone who will ing listen.

I can see Jordan at 95 talking to a fly about Krause and Zeke

[FrostKing]

The average American is more aware of Jordan's gambling than anything Bird/Malone did. Magic has no faults whatsoever according to modern day American society. Isiah? Average NBA fan today barely even knows of him. Kobe - didn't we just witness his public eulogy and it didn't include Colorado.

As the BS (trolling?) is starting to pile up on here I am starting to realize the importance of this do entary.

[Killakobe81]

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By the way you forgot Magic

Fair point ... and trust me I have been trying to forget much of what magic has said and done outside of corporate America since he cried and said "I'm gonna beat this on ESPN". We have had some good moments ...like the ASG in Orlando and some stature ceremonies and jersey retirement speeches ...but I prefer to think of magic stuck in that time capsule covered in champagne saying "back-to-back ..yeah ...YEAH!!!" if he disappeared after that he wouldn't be MJ but he sure would compare more favorably post retirement ...

[Neo.]

Michael is GOAT because of uber compe iveness that includes gambling and battling teammates

Michael molded his teammates. He didn't run off to another team/roster or better yet try and play GM. He did it the old fashioned way.

as if no other player ever is uber compe ive and obsessed to an extreme degree with winning. im pretty sure guys like Kobe and Lebron are just as obsessed with winning as Mike, they just go about it in a different manner. yet they still mold their teammates.

sure he didnt run off, because he had no need to. he was already given a hall-of-fame talent sidekick who complimented him well. also its well do ented that he repeatedly threatened to not play and/or retire if the front office didn't make moves that he wanted, people just didnt know as widely because of lack of social media

[FrostKing]

as if no other player ever is uber compe ive and obsessed to an extreme degree with winning. im pretty sure guys like Kobe and Lebron are just as obsessed with winning as Mike, they just go about it in a different manner. yet they still mold their teammates.

sure he didnt run off, because he had no need to. he was already given a hall-of-fame talent sidekick who complimented him well. also its well do ented that he repeatedly threatened to not play and/or retire if the front office didn't make moves that he wanted, people just didnt know as widely because of lack of social media

Lebron and Magic are less compe ive than Jordan and Bird

Lebron walked into a much stronger lockeroom as a rookie. What happened - James quit.

[lefty]

Lebron and Magic are less compe ive than Jordan and Bird

Lebron walked into a much stronger lockeroom as a rookie. What happened - James quit.

Good one

[lefty]

as if no other player ever is uber compe ive and obsessed to an extreme degree with winning. im pretty sure guys like Kobe and Lebron are just as obsessed with winning as Mike, they just go about it in a different manner. yet they still mold their teammates.

sure he didnt run off, because he had no need to. he was already given a hall-of-fame talent sidekick who complimented him well. also its well do ented that he repeatedly threatened to not play and/or retire if the front office didn't make moves that he wanted, people just didnt know as widely because of lack of social media

This

[FrostKing]

This

There is a "Like" and "lol" button on the bottom left

[Neo.]

Lebron and Magic are less compe ive than Jordan and Bird

Proof?

Lebron walked into a much stronger lockeroom as a rookie.

no he didnt

What happened - James quit.

no he didnt

[lefty]

There is a "Like" and "lol" button on the bottom left

Lol

[ambchang]

That HOF speech was disgusting.

And the media is still praising him for being honest and showing compe ive fire.

[ambchang]

well your proof that the rule changes were the main drivers, was that scoring went up for several perimeter players. but there clearly were a number of other factors that caused their scoring increases. so what is your proof that the rule change was the main driver?

Top scorers became perimeter oriented players as well, which was a point that just disappeared for some reason.

really? all in one year? mainly because of the rule changes? as opposed to several years of highly talented perimeter players being drafted, and strategy evolving to focus less on low post offense and more on penetration and high post offense?

Because the rule changes enabled that.

hm was it really? because i dont think anyone would consider either of those guys remotely as talented of a scorer as glen rice, nor as good of spot up shooters

They aren't, but at that point Glen Rice was clearly on the downhill of his career. His shooting percentages plummeted the last year he was with the Lakers.

not only that, but they together averaged 8.8 more points than they did the previous season. so that still leaves around another 7 points from glen rices departure not accounted for. oh wait, kobe's average went up 6 points. but i guess its not logical to think that some of that scoring load would be taken on by kobe

I guess team scoring is like a puzzle where someone's drop in scorer must be picked up by other players in the same position now.

never claimed that at all. I simply brought up some counterpoints to your incredibly weak argument that the rule change was the primary reason for scoring increases for several young, highly talented wing players.

And your counterarguments are much weaker. Players have teammates traded away every year, players scoring average increase dramatically every year, but 2000-01 was the only year where the scoring average of perimeter players jumped rather dramatically all in one year, with more perimeter players being top scorers, and with one of the most perimeter friendly rule change designed to increase scoring enacted.

[ambchang]

It is funny that people on Bird, Malone, Kobe Isiah etc for being ty people in their personal lives but give MJ a pass for everything

I can't understand that part either. But at least Jordan never impregnated a 12 year old girl and then abandoned her ... that the public knew of.

[ambchang]

The do entary covered all this in the previous 2 episodes

Are some of you not paying attention and failing to put one and two together? Michael is GOAT because of uber compe iveness that includes gambling and battling teammates

Michael molded his teammates. He didn't run off to another team/roster or better yet try and play GM. He did it the old fashioned way.

Which of those alphas aren't ultra compe ive? Magic, Bird, Lebron, Duncan, Kobe, Hakeem, Kareem, Russell are all ultra compe ive. To think Jordan is on this personal podium of compe iveness greatness is purely a product of the media.

[FrostKing]

Which of those alphas aren't ultra compe ive? Magic, Bird, Lebron, Duncan, Kobe, Hakeem, Kareem, Russell are all ultra compe ive. To think Jordan is on this personal podium of compe iveness greatness is purely a product of the media.

Lebron and Wilt were not

Magic, Kobe, Hakeem and Kareem coasted for portions

Bird, Duncan, and Jordan most compe ive