Davis Bertrans says Wizards feel much like a democracy as oppose to the Spurs

[lefty]

Pop = The worst of Stalin, Pol Pot, and Kim Jong Un combined.

poop being a dumb out of touch mother er. same story different day. no wonder kawhi left

[lefty]

Spurms and their backward military mentality

holier than thou, we know better than the players at ude, it’s no wonder Kawhi left that old boys club

[lefty]

thanks Tim

[GAustex]

Hard to believe that the Holts continue to let the demented drunk poop time after time to screw up with no retribution
Signing Demarre Carroll-lol/Losing Bertans
losing the best player in the league
hitching his wagon to Bryn Forbes

[TD 21]

This whole "Lol, Wizards" or "today's players are too soft" routine completely misses the point.

At some point, when this many players (and this is a white, foreign role player, so spare me the racial rhetoric), in a relatively short span, have taken this many thinly veiled shots at you, you're the problem. It's the common denominator effect.

Perception is often more power than reality. The players run this league and have sent a resoundingly negative message about how the genius operates. They either get with the times or continue the descent into irrelevancy/laughing stock status.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Dude wants to get paid, nothing wrong with that.

[phxspurfan]

Greggors

Forbes...Zaza...Richard Jefferson...The Nephew...

[spurspl]

i said that way before him, playin under pop=u have no ur own voice nor opinion

[KobesAchilles]

Made no sense to trade him AND keep Forbes. Choosing Forbes as our “no defense, ty ball handling only good as a floor spacer player” over Bertans was just stupid. Davis has 7 inches on Forbes (he’s also 7 inches taller ) has a better shot, is a better defender, and has the same handles. They both rebound the same too. This roster needed to be gutted last year and Pop chose to keep the wrong horses in Bryn and Gay.

[elbamba1]

Bertans merely said you can speak out there. Has nothing to do with winning...Which the Spurs haven't done since 2014, btw.

Two more trips to the WCF and a 67 win season looks like winning to me. , this is the first year they were not going to make the playoffs so the team still did plenty of winning. They just didn't win the championship.

That said, I always kind of scoff when they talk about Tim Duncan being coachable. Tim was the best player in the league and while he allowed Pop to maybe criticize him or yell at him, there is no way in Pop would ever have treated him like he does the younger players on the team today. Can you imagine Tim Duncan coming off the bench because Carl Herrera had more experience and knew the system? None of our young players are Tim Duncan, but there is no doubt the difference in talent level between Murray, White, and Walker compared to Forbes Belinelli.

[elbamba1]

Pop was the beneficiary of Tim Duncan and a more talented front office that scored on a series of lucky draft picks between 1999 - 2002

[SAGirl]

On a team where you let the guys score on you every possession, don’t care about winning games just getting up shots like you’re at the Rucker. A team with absolutely no coaching or adjustments, just jacking up shots

Sure bc Forbes is doing what exactly?

[J_Paco]

This. Wake me up when they’ve done... anything.

Exactly, I love the Wizards (I'm from Maryland) and Davis, but what has he or they done to carry more weight than a HOF coach?

When he was in the Spurs I remember reading an article from a Serbian fan who shared an interview Davis did for his local media in Europe. Davis was clearly disgusted and unhappy about his constant benchings and his lack of regular play time. I remember there was a season the Spurs had no healthy forwards avialable to play and Pop instead chose to play Forbes 35 minutes. It was before he became a regular starter, meanwhile Bertans rode the pine. AT that moment I didn't even understand what the heck Pop was doing and I was disgusted. Little did I know, Forbes would become a Pop favorite and a regular starter while Davis came off the bench and sometimes not even that.

I knew Davis wasn't happy tbh. but if he said anything, I am sure Pop would disappear him to unplayable status. I was glad for him when he got traded, not for the Spurs, but for him.

This line right here was an eye-opener:

People are afraid to speak up against a Pop decision. That is not helpful at all.
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Why the are making this about Forbes? I loved Davis when he was in a Spurs jersey, but he also had a lot of glaring shortcomings (rebounding and post defense) that opponents exploited. That is the exact reason why he was removed from the rotation in last year's playoffs, remember?

Mahinmi said the same thing when he moved to Dallas. He said Carlisle’s leadership style was more democratic while Pop’s was more authoritarian.

Sure, the same Rick Carlisle that has had feuds with players (Rondo) and management (Indiana & Detroit) is such a "better leader" than Pop.

No head coach is perfect, not even Phil Jackson, especially when he's at the tail end of his run, makes poor decisions (X's & O's wise) and has an uneven, poorly constructed roster to contend with.

5 rings




But yeah ofc we miss Bert.




However, he is great, but not the championship type. Guys like him are made to hit 3s but those dry up in the big games usually, and the defense, smarts, toughness etc come into play. I love the guy but he is a rich mans Bonner

Exactly, I loved Davis but he's literally putting up "empty carbs" stats on a Wizards team with a worse record than the Spurs, that plays in a easier conference & has one of the worst defenses in the league.

Pop should retire if the team decides to fully rebuild, but using Davis' time here as one of Pop's present failure is being intentionally dishonest. Davis never played well enough on both ends, didn't rebound well enough for a 6'10" player and was prone to going through slumps with his shooting and confidence.

I'm happy he's finally found his groove with the Wizards, but now he needs to prove his production can be replicated on a winning team.

[J_Paco]

Pop was the beneficiary of Tim Duncan and a more talented front office that scored on a series of lucky draft picks between 1999 - 2002

Can't you make similar, benign statements about every winning coach in all of sports? Didn't Phil Jackson similarly "get lucky" by being hand picked to replace Doug Collins in 1989 -1990?

His time has likely past him by, he clearly isn't "in touch" with current - day NBA players, but he also has been important to the last 20 years of success in San Antonio. Duncan deserves a bulk of the credit much like Jordan in Chicago, Johnson in Los Angeles, etc. but coaching still plays an important role to winning basketball.

Spur fans will find that out very soon when we likely don't see another HOF quality coach for 10, 20 or more years.

[tbdog]

Coaching is playing less and less of a role in NBA success. Sure, motivation and HR management is important, but gameplan decisions? Not so much. Teams are playing too similar these days. It's more about talent and health. Back in the day it was about what team could play their style the most.

[jbspurs]

When he was in the Spurs I remember reading an article from a Serbian fan who shared an interview Davis did for his local media in Europe. Davis was clearly disgusted and unhappy about his constant benchings and his lack of regular play time. I remember there was a season the Spurs had no healthy forwards avialable to play and Pop instead chose to play Forbes 35 minutes. It was before he became a regular starter, meanwhile Bertans rode the pine. AT that moment I didn't even understand what the heck Pop was doing and I was disgusted. Little did I know, Forbes would become a Pop favorite and a regular starter while Davis came off the bench and sometimes not even that.

I knew Davis wasn't happy tbh. but if he said anything, I am sure Pop would disappear him to unplayable status. I was glad for him when he got traded, not for the Spurs, but for him.

This line right here was an eye-opener:

People are afraid to speak up against a Pop decision. That is not helpful at all.
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I believe the same scenario happened this season to Metu. Aldridge out, Poeltl got hurt and Metu wasn't given a chance. Pop is a control freak, players are tired of it that they don't want to play for him anymore.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Spurms and their backward military mentality

holier than thou, we know better than the players at ude, it’s no wonder Kawhi left that old boys club

PREACH

[apalisoc_9]

This whole "Lol, Wizards" or "today's players are too soft" routine completely misses the point.

At some point, when this many players (and this is a white, foreign role player, so spare me the racial rhetoric), in a relatively short span, have taken this many thinly veiled shots at you, you're the problem. It's the common denominator effect.

Perception is often more power than reality. The players run this league and have sent a resoundingly negative message about how the genius operates. They either get with the times or continue the descent into irrelevancy/laughing stock status.

Hey man how's your health?

Been a while since I read any of your post.

Hope you're social distancing. Stay safe from corona.

[apalisoc_9]

Made no sense to trade him AND keep Forbes. Choosing Forbes as our “no defense, ty ball handling only good as a floor spacer player” over Bertans was just stupid. Davis has 7 inches on Forbes (he’s also 7 inches taller ) has a better shot, is a better defender, and has the same handles. They both rebound the same too. This roster needed to be gutted last year and Pop chose to keep the wrong horses in Bryn and Gay.

Bertans can basically play the same position as Forbes. Sure, he is awful defensively and can make re ed defensive decisions but he is 20 inches taller than forbes, has a quicker three point release, was always confident with his shot..You didn't need to pamper him to improve his confidence..Just give him playing time and he's ready to go.

He can dunk and his shot contest will always be more valuable than Bryn.

But Poop going to Poop.

[hooperflash]

I hope Bertans is watching the MJ doc

"Winning has a price. And leadership has a price. So I pulled people along when they didn't want to be pulled. I challenged people when they don't want to be challenged. And I earned that right because my teammates came after me. They didn't endure all the things that I endured. Once you join the team, you live at a certain standard that I play the game, and I wasn't gonna take anything less. Now, if that means I have to go out there and get in your ass a little bit, then I did that. You ask all my teammates, the one thing about Michael Jordan was, he never asked me to do something that he didn't f—ing do. When people see this, they're gonna say, 'Well, he wasn't really a nice guy. He may have been a tyrant.' Well, that's you, because you never won anything. I wanted to win, but I wanted them to win and be a part of that as well. I don't have to do this. I'm only doing it because it is who I am. That's how I played the game. That was my mentality. If you don't want to play that, don't play that way.

-Michael Jordan"

[lefty]

I hope Bertans is watching the MJ doc

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Yeah Jordan is a bit of a self centered bull ter so lol at those quotes

[Longlonglongtimelurk]

Yeah Jordan is a bit of a self centered bull ter so lol at those quotes

He was the alpha of alpha males, he talks the talk but damn straight he walked the walk. You can say what you want about him as a person but he sure knew how to lead and win.

[dbestpro]

You can really see how this played out this year. Everyone is afraid to question Pop. There is no doubt that Pop has lost a step in his decision making. It was an inevitable disaster in coaching. The only way forward is for the assistant coaches to be more authoritative and risk Pop's wrath or do like they did with Tom Landry. Maybe, Manu is the guy we should have on the bench. Even as a player he was always fighting for the right play, the right call.

[lefty]

He was the alpha of alpha males, he talks the talk but damn straight he walked the walk. You can say what you want about him as a person but he sure knew how to lead and win.

He wasn’t very Alpha when he cried to Stern about the Pistons

Alpha

[LCM]

CBS sports "The questions 'The Last Dance' doesn't ask about Michael Jordan's leadership." By James Herbert

..."Leadership is like ice cream," then assistant coach Jim Cleamons told me, "There are different styles, different brands, different flavors."

Kerr echoed that point on a recent podcast with The Ringer's Bill Simmons. After winning a championship with the San Antonio Spurs in 2003, he said, he told coach Gregg Popovich that "the difference between Michael and Tim (Duncan) is you always felt like you were playing with Tim, and there were times you were playing for Michael"

Jordan's teammates were "scared to death" of him, which was not the case for teammates of Duncan ... Kerr called the style shared by Duncan ... "equally as powerful, but just totally different ..."


Bertans is telling everyone, Pop is the Jordan of this franchise ... because he's won, he feels he can do or say anything he wants, act any way he wants, crawl in a guy's ass if he wants, and play less talented players on the floor then other players who are more talented and need the game experience because those players haven't completely gotten on his wavelength of "you are playing FOR me! I'm not here to help you be the best you, the raise your game, and we work WITH each other to achieve the championship. NO, you are here to fit my scheme, for my team, in my way!" ... and as long as Pop has the dinners and the community charity work and 5 rings and a 22 year playoff streak, who is going to tell Pop his actually stinks?? Living on his past success to justify the current failures, and not actually living what I thought was an aspect of "The Spurs Way" in that you earn what you get EVERY DAY, IN THAT DAY! The past is gone! What got it done yesterday may lead to your downfall today. That is why until players feel that this franchise is a franchise they can work and build WITH instead of FOR, there isn't going to be any success.

And after reading this article, what bothers me more than anything is that not even Tim as an assistant coach could make a dent in Pop's approach this past season. Pop needs to go ...