TSA's concern about coercive pleading appears to be situational, not ethical or merciful.you think those are all guilty pleas?
a total of 41 of their cases are guilty pleas. 343 of them are not.
So you're saying everybody is lying except the guy that admitted to lying?
We covered this already, at least one judge had to decide on materiality in the case and sided with the FBI. I have no reason to believe that judge was lying. The evidence that judge was lied to is simply unconvincing. If the material presented to dismiss the case would've been presented to the judge for him to make a determination, and the judge decided that indeed that was the case, then I think nobody would be talking about Barr's corruption in this particular move, IMO.
But they didn't plead guilty to committing them. Then it becomes the burden of prosecution to prove the case. That's why I said I would've liked the courts to decide this particular case, since the prosecution already won it.
At the end of the day, that's exactly how justice works.
I'm pretty sure Mueller ran that team and he put his neck on the line with the report. I also think it's likely not the last we've heard of said report, but time will tell.Mueller never ran that team and was nothing but a face to give it legitimacy. His testimony was embarrassing and he looked like a slightly more coherent Biden. The case against the Russian troll farm was dismissed by the judge and the case against Flynn’s business partner was overturned
Of course... don't have to be Nostradamus to hear the crying when the next Dem AG pulls a similar stunt...
So whiny in his epigonism of the great man. Only the great man himself is whinier than his epigones in these pages.
It was going to be a waste of government resources for people who’d never be extradited.
Still waiting for an answer.
It appears Sullivan ed up. Do you disagree, or are you even knowledgeable enough to dispute anything I posted from a much more experienced federal prosecutor than whatever stage you’re at now?
Sullivan bad now looks like a white flag from here.
And they slurped it up every single time, minus spurraider who mocked Schiff’s “memo”.
I think this is fairly new.
A U.S. judge put on hold the Justice Department’s move to drop charges against Michael Flynn, saying he expects independent groups and legal experts to argue against the bid to exonerate President Trump’s former national security adviser of lying to the FBI.
U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan said in an order Tuesday that he expects individuals and organizations will seek to intervene in the politically charged case. Having others weigh in could preface more aggressive steps that the federal judge in Washington could take, including — as many outside observers have called for — holding a hearing to consider what to do.
Sullivan’s order came after the government took the highly irregular step Thursday of reversing its stance on upholding Flynn’s guilty plea.
And I don’t understand how significant it is because the reversal from the DOJ was so bizarre.
Sorry If Its already been posted.
From WaPo
I never claimed Sullivan lied. I claimed and have shown the lead prosecutor lied to him.So you're saying everybody is lying except the guy that admitted to lying?
We covered this already, at least one judge had to decide on materiality in the case and sided with the FBI. I have no reason to believe that judge was lying. The evidence that judge was lied to is simply unconvincing. If the material presented to dismiss the case would've been presented to the judge for him to make a determination, and the judge decided that indeed that was the case, then I think nobody would be talking about Barr's corruption in this particular move, IMO.
But they didn't plead guilty to committing them. Then it becomes the burden of prosecution to prove the case. That's why I said I would've liked the courts to decide this particular case, since the prosecution already won it.
At the end of the day, that's exactly how justice works.
You consider it a win when the prosecutor hides evidence from the judge?
its hard to acknowledge that sullivan ed up given that we dont have any ruling to that effect, just the DOJ waiving the white flag at the direction of Barr
so when you say the judge dismissed the case (every dismissal is done by a judge), who asked for the dismissal?
Judge...DOJ...was going off memory and doesn’t matter either way, was going to be a waste of gov resources.
“Judge Sullivan entered judgment on a guilty plea without first finding that a factual basis existed. That violated the requirements of Rule 11, and makes the guilty plea unsound.”
Agree or disagree? If disagree why?
lol I see why Judge Sullivan bad now... he's going to let outside counsel argue against the DOJ motion...
The Unraveling Part...?
Flynn is innocent because of a series of timing technicalities?
I think that's a sound argument that could've been brought up in appeals. That's basically how the judicial works. It doesn't nullify the entire trial unless a higher instance says it does.
i dont know that a factual basis didnt exist. there are transcripts of his calls with kislyak, and notes reflecting what he told the Feds, during an ongoing investigation.
i'm not saying that i know or believe for a fact that it was all kosher, but i dont have much reason to believe it wasnt, other than the DOJ's curious recent change in tune. would have loved to have a ruling or judicial opinion on the matter
yah, I don't think the lying to agents is disputed here... not even by the DOJ
Those pesky notes
"What is our goal? Truth/Admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?"
Doesn't matter what their goal was.
Flynn lied to them all on his own.
Those pesky lies.
Still don't get what's wrong with that particular note, tbh
Don't know why you're so invested in Flynn getting screwed.
Really?
Well it looks like Sullivan was not pleased so the invitation has been given.
You get to continue sailing through the storm.
Godspeed.
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