Whitmer and Michigan

[ChumpDumper]

And your main argument is that people should wear masks and stay home to limit risk. As a reaction to a virus caused by wet markets

Because the virus is here.

Now.

Do you understand that?

[ChumpDumper]

yes. Which is extremely ironic, nyc you know where the 140k beds a day stuff didn't happen, argues stay home, but continues to allow this. Shocking

Great. Stop those too.

That won't stop all the pandemics in the future.

And it does nothing to the virus already here.

[tholdren]

Because the virus is here.

Now.

Do you understand that?

But that is reactionary. No wet market. No current virus. No need for mask. But you want me to stay in my NYC apartment, wear a mask, so I can "save" you, but you still have operational wet markets? Presidents fault

[tholdren]

Great. Stop those too.

That won't stop all the pandemics in the future.

And it does nothing to the virus already here.

but just like wearing masks and staying home its not about eradication, its about eliminating unnecessary risk. And you agree that these viruses are transmission via animals to humans due to hygienic errors as well as wet markets being a leading cause of this.

[ChumpDumper]

But that is reactionary. No wet market. No current virus. No need for mask. But you want me to stay in my NYC apartment, wear a mask, so I can "save" you, but you still have operational wet markets? Presidents fault

It didn't start in NYC.

[tholdren]

It is more of a risk to have operational wet markets than to not wear a mask.

[tholdren]

It didn't start in NYC.

Strawman. It started in a wet market.

[tholdren]

It didn't start in NYC.

Lololol and you said wet markets were only in China.

[ChumpDumper]

but just like wearing masks and staying home its not about eradication, its about eliminating unnecessary risk. And you agree that these viruses are transmission via animals to humans due to hygienic errors as well as wet markets being a leading cause of this.

I don't have percentages and I bet you don't either.

I'm fine with shutting down every wet market in the world. It won't eradicate pandemics and does nothing for the virus that's already here.

[ChumpDumper]

Lololol and you said wet markets were only in China.

I said we can't control the wet markets in China. No need to lie about what I said.

[tholdren]

Nope.

Wet markets are in China. We can't control China. We can control what we do.

Do you understand?

You don't even know what goes on in your own country and you blaming leaders. Say what

[BSfromTX]

See, that's a question that misses the point. The most critical time for the president to act was January and February when he had the intel and the warnings and the time and the literal playbook to follow. That's when PPE procurement should've been ramped up and new sources found through contracts or the DPA, for example.

Now? In the middle of this show I would work to national standards and goals for testing, contact tracing and reporting so we can get a clear picture of the virus' spread and better address the hotpots that are popping up all over the country. Clear guidance for reopening economies with data driven goals and triggers would be a priority. I would never fall into happy talk or magical thinking. I would lead by example wearing a mask when not directly addressing the mic. I would enlist the help of W who is probably the biggest pandemic hawk in US history. I would not gaslight the American people. I wouldn't tell governors they were on their own for procuring PPE then outbid them and steal their incoming shipments. I wouldn't be spreading conspiracy theories.

That's off the top of my head. I can think of more if you need more.

No, I purposely asked about now.

testing is difficult, but why? Why is it so hard to get an affordable and accurate test? Why is there such a high margin of error?

Antibdy tests could help supplement , but they are not completely specific to 19?

Bottom line is, you would like to find out how many have or have had it and learn about why there are “hot spots”?

that it in a nuts ?

[tholdren]

I don't have percentages and I bet you don't either.

I'm fine with shutting down every wet market in the world. It won't eradicate pandemics and does nothing for the virus that's already here.

That wasn't the argument. The argument was and still is that wet markets are an unnecessary risk. And refusing to shut them down only adds to the risk of future pandemics.

[ChumpDumper]

You don't even know what goes on in your own country and you blaming leaders. Say what

The wet markets where this virus came from are in China. I'm fine with shutting down every wet market in the world. It won't eradicate pandemics.

[ChumpDumper]

That wasn't the argument. The argument was and still is that wet markets are an unnecessary risk. And refusing to shut them down only adds to the risk of future pandemics.

I'm not refusing to shut them down. Theoretically, Trump could shut them down right now so I will blame him for that if you need me to.

[tholdren]

The wet markets where this virus came from are in China. I'm fine with shutting down every wet market in the world. It won't eradicate pandemics.

Right, but that wasn't the argument. The argument was that masks and social distancing are reactions to problems caused by wet markets. If you want others to wear a mask and social distance, TO MITIGATE RISK, then you should also mitigate risk by eliminating wet markets.

FAILED LEADERSHIP BY NYC GOVT

[tholdren]

I'm not refusing to shut them down. Theoretically, Trump could shut them down right now so I will blame him for that if you need me to.

No its a state thing. Not a trump thing. So blame trump, cdc and goverror of ny. They are all not addressing the issue.

See how that works. Not one person problem

[tholdren]

now if you really want to get to the bottom of the issue, cdc has not addressed obesity during this whole thing. Wonder why.??

[ChumpDumper]

Right, but that wasn't the argument. The argument was that masks and social distancing are reactions to problems caused by wet markets. If you want others to wear a mask and social distance, TO MITIGATE RISK, then you should also mitigate risk by eliminating wet markets.

FAILED LEADERSHIP BY NYC GOVT

Trump could stop that right now so you can blame him too.

But you're talking about theoretical outbreaks. I guess you have to.

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now if you really want to get to the bottom of the issue, cdc has not addressed obesity during this whole thing. Wonder why.??

No, that's not the real bottom of the issue. The real issue is there is currently a deadly virus spreading in the US.

[tholdren]

Trump could stop that right now so you can blame him too.

But you're talking about theoretical outbreaks. I guess you have to.

He cannot stop that. It is a state issue. But why wouldn't the governor of NY want to address this?

[tholdren]

No, that's not the real bottom of the issue. The real issue is there is currently a deadly virus spreading in the US.

Deadly to a very specific group of people.

[ChumpDumper]

He cannot stop that.

FDA. Commerce. USDA. Plenty of ways to go about it.

But it means nothing for the current pandemic.

[ChumpDumper]

Deadly to a very specific group of people.

Not really. You're going off on another tangent now. It's 87,000 Americans.

[tholdren]

FDA. Commerce. USDA. Plenty of ways to go about it.

But it means nothing for the current pandemic.

Strawman. Its about mitigating risk. You blame him for not being prepared. State govt allowing more risk to future health outbreaks. Ny gov doing nothing. Wrong about the 140k beds. Putting people at risk. Shame.