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    whats the point of an independent special counsel if you can just appoint a new AG to undo things?

    hadn't even considered that perspective until watching this undressing of the DOJ

    there's a lot of background here but the withdrawal stuff starts around 18:30

    What’s the point of an independent special counsel if the team he assembles are dishonest hacks?


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    Disinformation from Schiff, media damaged America

    House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff has been feeding the American people misinformation for years. He used his position — replete with access to information and people in the know — to distribute wild accounts of Russian collusion with the Trump campaign.

    The effect was to frighten and alarm millions of Americans, sowing division between neighbors, toxifying our discourse and raising anxieties.

    The Trump administration spent time and resources fighting off the fallacy that cursed them since day one and deprived the American people of a president who could devote his time and energy to the policies they had elected him to enact.

    Just a year ago, Adam Schiff was on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, Fox News — anyone who would have him — talking about Trump/Russia collusion “in plain sight.”

    Even after the Mueller report clearly indicated that there was no provable collusion or coordination between the Russian government and the Trump campaign, Schiff continued to propagate the lie.

    Chris Wallace of Fox News pressed Schiff on the claims, playing the congressman a highlight reel of his assertions of collusion.

    Schiff shot back, “What more clear intent to collude could you have than the Russians offering dirt on Hillary Clinton as part of what was described as an effort to help Mr. Trump in the campaign and Don Jr. saying if it’s what you say, I would love it?”

    “Intent to collude.”

    That after years sounding the alarm about “damning evidence” of collusion with Putin that was “more than cir stantial.” This scandal was “beyond Watergate,” Schiff, privy to all of the sensitive intelligence, told us.

    We found out this week that Schiff always knew there was no evidence of collusion. By day he would interview former Obama administration officials including Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, Ambassador to the UN Samantha Power, national security adviser Susan Rice and Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who would tell him there was nothing, and by night he’d jump on a newscast assuring Americans that he’d seen evidence of something.

    But there was nothing.

    The canard Schiff continued to promulgate was supercharged, though, by the media, who went wall to wall with their coverage. Relics from Watergate were dragged out onto “Breaking News” sets and we were told how serious the matter was.

    Hysterical anti-Trump media personalities took to social media to scold anyone who doubted the Russia conspiracy, lecturing us about putting “country over party.”

    The coordination between Schiff and the media was pernicious.

    As Lee Smith wrote in the New York Post, “The tragic fact is that once-prestigious press organizations, including CNN as well as MSNBC, the New York Times and the Washington Post, weren’t fooled by the collusion hoax. They were an essential part of it.”

    Adam Schiff is a vile actor. Democrats must follow their own mantra and put their country over party and eject the snake in their midst.

    There are bipartisan endeavors — like infrastructure legislation, economic recovery and the battle against the pandemic — that have undoubtedly been hindered by the malevolence of the congressman from California who abused his power by weaponizing his position in order to bring down a duly-elected president.

    We will continue to bear the poisoned fruit from his actions for years and it will happen again in a different form unless there is a reckoning, once and for all.

    https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/05...maged-america/

    And you stupid s slurped up every word.

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    disinformation from Schiff?

    Trash is approaching 20K LIES in 3 years

    Trash committed criminal negligent manslaughter of 10Ks (so far) of Americans and cratered the economy

    Schiff? GIVE ME A ING BREAK

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    Disinformation from Schiff, media damaged America

    House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff has been feeding the American people misinformation for years. He used his position — replete with access to information and people in the know — to distribute wild accounts of Russian collusion with the Trump campaign.

    The effect was to frighten and alarm millions of Americans, sowing division between neighbors, toxifying our discourse and raising anxieties.

    The Trump administration spent time and resources fighting off the fallacy that cursed them since day one and deprived the American people of a president who could devote his time and energy to the policies they had elected him to enact.

    Just a year ago, Adam Schiff was on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, Fox News — anyone who would have him — talking about Trump/Russia collusion “in plain sight.”

    Even after the Mueller report clearly indicated that there was no provable collusion or coordination between the Russian government and the Trump campaign, Schiff continued to propagate the lie.

    Chris Wallace of Fox News pressed Schiff on the claims, playing the congressman a highlight reel of his assertions of collusion.

    Schiff shot back, “What more clear intent to collude could you have than the Russians offering dirt on Hillary Clinton as part of what was described as an effort to help Mr. Trump in the campaign and Don Jr. saying if it’s what you say, I would love it?”

    “Intent to collude.”

    That after years sounding the alarm about “damning evidence” of collusion with Putin that was “more than cir stantial.” This scandal was “beyond Watergate,” Schiff, privy to all of the sensitive intelligence, told us.

    We found out this week that Schiff always knew there was no evidence of collusion. By day he would interview former Obama administration officials including Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, Ambassador to the UN Samantha Power, national security adviser Susan Rice and Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who would tell him there was nothing, and by night he’d jump on a newscast assuring Americans that he’d seen evidence of something.

    But there was nothing.

    The canard Schiff continued to promulgate was supercharged, though, by the media, who went wall to wall with their coverage. Relics from Watergate were dragged out onto “Breaking News” sets and we were told how serious the matter was.

    Hysterical anti-Trump media personalities took to social media to scold anyone who doubted the Russia conspiracy, lecturing us about putting “country over party.”

    The coordination between Schiff and the media was pernicious.

    As Lee Smith wrote in the New York Post, “The tragic fact is that once-prestigious press organizations, including CNN as well as MSNBC, the New York Times and the Washington Post, weren’t fooled by the collusion hoax. They were an essential part of it.”

    Adam Schiff is a vile actor. Democrats must follow their own mantra and put their country over party and eject the snake in their midst.

    There are bipartisan endeavors — like infrastructure legislation, economic recovery and the battle against the pandemic — that have undoubtedly been hindered by the malevolence of the congressman from California who abused his power by weaponizing his position in order to bring down a duly-elected president.

    We will continue to bear the poisoned fruit from his actions for years and it will happen again in a different form unless there is a reckoning, once and for all.

    https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/05...maged-america/

    And you stupid s slurped up every word.
    someday you will read this and will understand how stupid you were and how brainwashed:

    this guy just printed the collusion “in plain sight” and then instructed YOU to

    NOT believe your own eyes!

    and you obeyed!


    trump: “russia if you are listening...”. (Plain sight)
    5 hours later on that same date 5-27-2016- russia/wiki hack happens to american citizens

    Collusion/coordination in plain sight - which schiff pointed out and your eyes and the mueller report confirmed it


    except now = you have been ordered to disbelieve your own eyes

    same with trump tower mtg emails: russians say “we got dirt”. Jr answers - “i love it and sets up the mtg”
    in plain sight = collusion

    mueller explained it to you too! (They all lied, destroyed emails, and obstructed investigation = this is why conspiracy was not proven - until Barr and trump are removed and the cover up exposed)


    someday (after the brainwashing fades) you will ask yourself:

    ”how in da did i see with my own eyes - Trump asking russia publicly to cyberhack (felony) an american citizen and then I was given the info that russia did it 5 hours later....how in da did i witness it ..and then refuse to believe what i saw?”

    ”how in da did i accuse others of being stupid when i also fell for pizzagate?”

    “was i brainwashed?”

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    Disinformation from Schiff, media damaged America

    House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff has been feeding the American people misinformation for years. He used his position — replete with access to information and people in the know — to distribute wild accounts of Russian collusion with the Trump campaign.

    The effect was to frighten and alarm millions of Americans, sowing division between neighbors, toxifying our discourse and raising anxieties.

    The Trump administration spent time and resources fighting off the fallacy that cursed them since day one and deprived the American people of a president who could devote his time and energy to the policies they had elected him to enact.

    Just a year ago, Adam Schiff was on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, Fox News — anyone who would have him — talking about Trump/Russia collusion “in plain sight.”

    Even after the Mueller report clearly indicated that there was no provable collusion or coordination between the Russian government and the Trump campaign, Schiff continued to propagate the lie.

    Chris Wallace of Fox News pressed Schiff on the claims, playing the congressman a highlight reel of his assertions of collusion.

    Schiff shot back, “What more clear intent to collude could you have than the Russians offering dirt on Hillary Clinton as part of what was described as an effort to help Mr. Trump in the campaign and Don Jr. saying if it’s what you say, I would love it?”

    “Intent to collude.”

    That after years sounding the alarm about “damning evidence” of collusion with Putin that was “more than cir stantial.” This scandal was “beyond Watergate,” Schiff, privy to all of the sensitive intelligence, told us.

    We found out this week that Schiff always knew there was no evidence of collusion. By day he would interview former Obama administration officials including Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, Ambassador to the UN Samantha Power, national security adviser Susan Rice and Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who would tell him there was nothing, and by night he’d jump on a newscast assuring Americans that he’d seen evidence of something.

    But there was nothing.

    The canard Schiff continued to promulgate was supercharged, though, by the media, who went wall to wall with their coverage. Relics from Watergate were dragged out onto “Breaking News” sets and we were told how serious the matter was.

    Hysterical anti-Trump media personalities took to social media to scold anyone who doubted the Russia conspiracy, lecturing us about putting “country over party.”

    The coordination between Schiff and the media was pernicious.

    As Lee Smith wrote in the New York Post, “The tragic fact is that once-prestigious press organizations, including CNN as well as MSNBC, the New York Times and the Washington Post, weren’t fooled by the collusion hoax. They were an essential part of it.”

    Adam Schiff is a vile actor. Democrats must follow their own mantra and put their country over party and eject the snake in their midst.

    There are bipartisan endeavors — like infrastructure legislation, economic recovery and the battle against the pandemic — that have undoubtedly been hindered by the malevolence of the congressman from California who abused his power by weaponizing his position in order to bring down a duly-elected president.

    We will continue to bear the poisoned fruit from his actions for years and it will happen again in a different form unless there is a reckoning, once and for all.

    https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/05...maged-america/

    And you stupid s slurped up every word.
    You thought a United Airlines 737 was Air Force One because QAnon told you.

    You believed Hillary Clinton murdered Seth Rich because a fat felon fugitive told you.

    You believed Democrats held children in a sex dungeon under a pizza restaurant because anonymous blogs told you.

    We thought there might be collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia because the Trump campaign actively and admittedly tried to collude with Russia.

    Sorry, you rate a lot higher than we do on the rube-o-meter.

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    Also, lol.


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    I don’t know that i ever cited to Schiff re evidence of collusion. I was content with letting the investigation go forward and am content with Muellers conclusion that there’s no evidence of collusion

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    I don’t know that i ever cited to Schiff re evidence of collusion. I was content with letting the investigation go forward and am content with Muellers conclusion that there’s no evidence of collusion

    lol

    you must have reading comprehension skills issues

    ”no evidence of collusion”

    was never a part of the mueller report once he explained that “collusion” is not a legal term and no such crime exists in the penal code

    the con man conned you when he threw out that meaningless term

    now he is throwing out “obamagate” for the same reasons- distracting from his criminality

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    Also, lol.

    thats not what trump and hannity allege!

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    lol

    you must have reading comprehension skills issues

    ”no evidence of collusion”

    was never a part of the mueller report once he explained that “collusion” is not a legal term and no such crime exists in the penal code

    the con man conned you when he threw out that meaningless term

    now he is throwing out “obamagate” for the same reasons- distracting from his criminality
    the word "collusion" isnt important. collusion referred to coordation with the russians, with the potential legal charge being conspiracy

    from Mueller's report:

    Further, the evidence was not sufficient to charge that any member of the Trump Campaign conspired with representatives of the Russian government to interfere in the 2016 election.

    i accept mueller's findings

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    the word "collusion" isnt important. collusion referred to coordation with the russians, with the potential legal charge being conspiracy

    from Mueller's report:

    Further, the evidence was not sufficient to charge that any member of the Trump Campaign conspired with representatives of the Russian government to interfere in the 2016 election.

    i accept mueller's findings
    I can understand TSA spreading misinformation and outright lying thru his teeth - because he is a ing gullible stupid moron -

    but - YOU?

    Someone who claims to have studied the law? I just dont get it - unless you are trolling and I missed it?

    You who have studied the law and you "get" the nuances of the law and you aren't stupid enough to know when Barr was using those nuances to shield for his criminal buddy - are you?


    These are respectable law scholars (not the magazine - the experts quoted in the article);

    https://time.com/5610317/mueller-rep...ths-breakdown/



    Myth: Mueller found “no collusion.”

    Response: Mueller spent almost 200 pages describing “numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign.” He found that “a Russian en y carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.” He also found that “a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations” against the Clinton campaign and then released stolen do ents.
    While Mueller was unable to establish a conspiracy between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians involved in this activity, he made it clear that “[a] statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.” In fact, Mueller also wrote that the “investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.”

    To find conspiracy, a prosecutor must establish beyond a reasonable doubt the elements of the crime: an agreement between at least two people, to commit a criminal offense and an overt act in furtherance of that agreement. One of the underlying criminal offenses that Mueller reviewed for conspiracy was campaign-finance violations. Mueller found that Trump campaign members Donald Trump Jr., Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner met with Russian nationals in Trump Tower in New York June 2016 for the purpose of receiving disparaging information about Clinton as part of “Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump,” according to an email message arranging the meeting. This meeting did not amount to a criminal offense, in part, because Mueller was unable to establish “willfulness,” that is, that the participants knew that their conduct was illegal. Mueller was also unable to conclude that the information was a “thing of value” that exceeded $25,000, the requirement for campaign finance to be a felony, as opposed to a civil violation of law. But the fact that the conduct did not technically amount to conspiracy does not mean that it was acceptable. Trump campaign members welcomed foreign influence into our election and then compromised themselves with the Russian government by covering it up.


    Mueller found other contacts with Russia, such as the sharing of polling data about Midwestern states where Trump later won upset victories, conversations with the Russian ambassador to influence Russia’s response to sanctions imposed by the U.S. government in response to election interference, and communications with Wikileaks after it had received emails stolen by Russia. While none of these acts amounted to the crime of conspiracy, all could be described as “collusion.”

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    holy what a meltdown.

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    didnt find sufficient evidence to bring any charges re conspiring with russians to influence the election. i never said he didnt find any contacts or attempts.

    thats good enough for me tbh

    i do think mueller laid out a strong case for impeachment due to obstruction of justice. vol 2 was damning as , but because meuller's team agreed that they could not legally charge a sitting president, they were also not allowed to levy any specific allegations of crimes being committed. but the entirety of vol 2, in addition to the not-so-subtle comments about not exonerating the president... was pretty clear

    pelosi and the dems of the house showed remarkable (and misguided) restraint in not pushing forward with impeachment at that time tbh. all they did was embolden trump to continue acting lawlessly and obstructing justice which he then tried to do with the ukraine scandal leading to his impeachment
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    I don’t know that i ever cited to Schiff re evidence of collusion. I was content with letting the investigation go forward and am content with Muellers conclusion that there’s no evidence of collusion


    Misinformation.

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    collusion is lay term for coordination ie conspiracy. insufficient evidence to bring charges. sorry.

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    collusion is lay term for coordination ie conspiracy. insufficient evidence to bring charges. sorry.

    still wrong -

    collusion does not exist in the criminal code of conduct, in the penal code - in any state laws, etc...


    it was a CON MAN throwing it in the ring to lead you down the rabbit hole.

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    still wrong -

    collusion does not exist in the criminal code of conduct, in the penal code - in any state laws, etc...


    it was a CON MAN throwing it in the ring to lead you down the rabbit hole.
    kicking and screaming wont change mueller's conclusions

    i never said collusion was in the criminal code. i said it was the lay term for coordination with the charges being conspiracy. and there was insufficient evidence to bring charges for conspiracy

    you're probably a trump supporter with how much you are trying to on and undermine the mueller report tbh

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    kicking and screaming wont change mueller's conclusions

    i never said collusion was in the criminal code. i said it was the lay term for coordination with the charges being conspiracy. and there was insufficient evidence to bring charges for conspiracy

    you're probably a trump supporter with how much you are trying to on and undermine the mueller report tbh

    no one is kicking and screaming - but you have repeatedly pushed out this misinformation -
    that mueller concluded that

    there was no evidence of collusion -


    I pointed it out and if you read the article you will know the truth - that

    not charging conspiracy does NOT mean there was no evidence of it.


    I hope you do well on your law career because you will lose cases throwing out misinformation like that or misinterpreting the law.

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    no one is kicking and screaming - but you have repeatedly pushed out this misinformation -
    that mueller concluded that

    there was no evidence of collusion -


    I pointed it out and if you read the article you will know the truth - that

    not charging conspiracy does NOT mean there was no evidence of it.


    I hope you do well on your law career because you will lose cases throwing out misinformation like that or misinterpreting the law.
    if there was good evidence of collusion with russians to interfere with the election then there would have been conspiracy charges brought on those grounds

    sorry

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    if there was good evidence of collusion with russians to interfere with the election then there would have been conspiracy charges brought on those grounds

    sorry
    there you go throwing out garbage misinformation again...

    there was tons of it but -

    1) mueller could NOT - was not ALLOWED to charge trump with any crimes

    2) BARR stopped the investigation prematurely

    3) Rosenstein restricted - who mueller could and could not compel to testify and he also made muellers jurisdiction so tiny that mueller could not compel the lost emails, electronic msgs, evidence to he handed over - he could not charge trump jr or any trump family and the 13 cases mueller farmed out have been covered up by barr -

    there's more - but you aren't an honest broker so I'll spare you the rest...

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    there you go throwing out garbage misinformation again...

    there was tons of it but -

    1) mueller could NOT - was not ALLOWED to charge trump with any crimes
    didnt find sufficient evidence to bring any charges re conspiring with russians to influence the election. i never said he didnt find any contacts or attempts.

    thats good enough for me tbh

    i do think mueller laid out a strong case for impeachment due to obstruction of justice. vol 2 was damning as , but because meuller's team agreed that they could not legally charge a sitting president, they were also not allowed to levy any specific allegations of crimes being committed. but the entirety of vol 2, in addition to the not-so-subtle comments about not exonerating the president... was pretty clear

    pelosi and the dems of the house showed remarkable (and misguided) restraint in not pushing forward with impeachment at that time tbh. all they did was embolden trump to continue acting lawlessly and obstructing justice which he then tried to do with the ukraine scandal leading to his impeachment
    lol

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    lol


    before: if there was good evidence of collusion with russians to interfere with the election then there would have been conspiracy charges brought on those grounds



    after: blah-blah


    pick a lane

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    1) mueller could NOT - was not ALLOWED to charge trump with any crimes
    Why wasn’t anyone else charged with conspiracy?

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    lol


    before: if there was good evidence of collusion with russians to interfere with the election then there would have been conspiracy charges brought on those grounds



    after: blah-blah


    pick a lane
    could have charged people from trump's campaign other than trump himself

    and the conclusion that there was no evidence sufficient to bring charges was very different than the wording Vol 2's conclusion

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    thats not what trump and hannity allege!


    “Our concern over potential criminality is focused on others.”

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