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    lol ^

    two trump semen-shielders who get shat on 24/7 commiserating hahahaha!
    Show me where Mueller states that he was tasked to investigate conspiracy but not allowed to charge anyone with conspiracy.

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    EXCLUSIVE: The Treasury Department Spied on Flynn, Manafort, and the Trump Family, Says Whistleblower

    President Barack Obama’s Treasury Department regularly surveilled retired Army Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn’s financial records and transactions beginning in December 2015 and well into 2017, before, during and after when he served at the White House as President Donald Trump’s National Security Director, a former senior Treasury Department official, and veteran of the intelligence community, told the Star Newspapers.

    “I started seeing things that were not correct, so I did my own little investigation, because I wanted to make sure what I was seeing was correct” she said. “You never want to draw attention to something if there is not anything there.”

    The whistleblower said she only saw metadata, that is names and dates when the general’s financial records were accessed. “I never saw what they saw.”

    By March 2016, the whistleblower said she and a colleague, who was detailed to Treasury from the intelligence community, became convinced that the surveillance of Flynn was not tied to legitimate criminal or national security concerns, but was straight-up political surveillance among other illegal activity occurring at Treasury.

    “When I showed it to her, what she said, ‘Oh, sh%t!’ and I knew right then and there that I was right – this was some shady stuff,” the whistleblower said.

    “It wasn’t just him,” the whistleblower said. “They were targeting other U.S. citizens, as well.”

    Only two names are listed in the whistleblower’s official paperwork, so the others must remain sealed, she said. The second name is Paul J. Manafort Jr., the one-time chairman of Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign.

    The other names include: Members of Congress, the most senior staffers on the 2016 Trump campaign and members of Trump’s family, she said.

    “Another thing they would do is take targeted names from a certain database – I cannot name, but you can guess – and they were going over to an unclassified database and they were running those names in the unclassified database,” she said.

    This ruse was to get around using classified resources to surveil Americans, she said. Once the Treasury personnel had enough information about someone they were targeting from the black box, they would go to the white box for faster and more informed search.

    It was routine for these searches that had no criminal nor national security predicate, merely a political predicate, she said.

    Complaint filed with Treasury Inspector General

    In March 2017, she filed a formal whistleblower complaint with Acting Treasury Inspector General Richard K. Delmar, who continues in that office today, she said. Beyond Delmar acknowledging receipt of the complaint, the inspector general never followed up on the matter.

    This formal complaint was a follow-up to an August 2016 notification to Delmar that did not meet the full requirements of formal complaint, but it provided Delmar with the details of Treasury’s surveillance of Flynn, she said.

    The whistleblower filed a subsequent complaint with the Office of Special Counsel May 2017, which is the permanent office established to work with whistleblowers and is not related to Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

    This surveillance program was run out of Treasury’s Office of Intelligence Analysis, which was then under the leadership of S. Leslie Ireland. Ireland came to OIA in 2010 after a long tenure at the Central Intelligence Agency and a one-year stint as Obama’s daily in-person intelligence briefer.

    The whistleblower said Treasury should never have been part of the unmasking of Flynn, because its surveillance operation was off-the-books. That is to say, the Justice Department never gave the required approval to the Treasury program, and so there were no guidelines, approvals nor reports that would be associated with a DOJ-sanctioned domestic surveillance operation.

    “Accessing this information without approved and signed attorney general guidelines would violate U.S. persons cons utional rights and civil liberties,” she said.

    “IC agencies have to adhere to Executive Order 12333, or as it is known in the community: E.O. 12-Triple-Three. Just because OIA does not have signed guidelines does not give them the power or right to operate as they want, if you want information on a U.S. person then work with the FBI on a le III, if it is a U.S. person involved with a foreign en y then follow the correct process for a FISA, but without signed AG guidelines you cannot even get started,” she said. le III refers to the FBI authority to electronically surveil Americans.

    https://theohiostar.com/2020/05/18/e...whistleblower/

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    I’ve also gone back and forth on that same thought. After this latest episode I’m back to leaning towards right wing troll job, and well done at that.
    i've gone back and forth too... and good evidence for him being a secret right winger was his fervent defense of amber guyger for killing a scary black man in his own apartment.

    but honestly i just think he's a loon like booboo

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    "Regretfully, I followed my lawyers' strong advice to confirm my [guilty] plea even though it was all I could do not to cry out "no" when this Court [Sullivan] asked me if I was guilty"

    "I express my profound apology to this Court...in truth, I never lied...I allowed myself to suc b to the threats from the government to save my family"

    "I will not confirm a plea of guilty I should never have entered...as God is my witness, the truth is I am innocent of these charges"

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    Lawdy!

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    Show me where Mueller states that he was tasked to investigate conspiracy but not allowed to charge anyone with conspiracy.

    It is in the Mueller report. Read it.

    Last time I will answer your bull .

    Lazy ass.

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    EXCLUSIVE: The Treasury Department Spied on Flynn, Manafort, and the Trump Family, Says Whistleblower

    President Barack Obama’s Treasury Department regularly surveilled retired Army Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn’s financial records and transactions beginning in December 2015 and well into 2017, before, during and after when he served at the White House as President Donald Trump’s National Security Director, a former senior Treasury Department official, and veteran of the intelligence community, told the Star Newspapers.

    “I started seeing things that were not correct, so I did my own little investigation, because I wanted to make sure what I was seeing was correct” she said. “You never want to draw attention to something if there is not anything there.”

    The whistleblower said she only saw metadata, that is names and dates when the general’s financial records were accessed. “I never saw what they saw.”

    By March 2016, the whistleblower said she and a colleague, who was detailed to Treasury from the intelligence community, became convinced that the surveillance of Flynn was not tied to legitimate criminal or national security concerns, but was straight-up political surveillance among other illegal activity occurring at Treasury.

    “When I showed it to her, what she said, ‘Oh, sh%t!’ and I knew right then and there that I was right – this was some shady stuff,” the whistleblower said.

    “It wasn’t just him,” the whistleblower said. “They were targeting other U.S. citizens, as well.”

    Only two names are listed in the whistleblower’s official paperwork, so the others must remain sealed, she said. The second name is Paul J. Manafort Jr., the one-time chairman of Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign.

    The other names include: Members of Congress, the most senior staffers on the 2016 Trump campaign and members of Trump’s family, she said.

    “Another thing they would do is take targeted names from a certain database – I cannot name, but you can guess – and they were going over to an unclassified database and they were running those names in the unclassified database,” she said.

    This ruse was to get around using classified resources to surveil Americans, she said. Once the Treasury personnel had enough information about someone they were targeting from the black box, they would go to the white box for faster and more informed search.

    It was routine for these searches that had no criminal nor national security predicate, merely a political predicate, she said.

    Complaint filed with Treasury Inspector General

    In March 2017, she filed a formal whistleblower complaint with Acting Treasury Inspector General Richard K. Delmar, who continues in that office today, she said. Beyond Delmar acknowledging receipt of the complaint, the inspector general never followed up on the matter.

    This formal complaint was a follow-up to an August 2016 notification to Delmar that did not meet the full requirements of formal complaint, but it provided Delmar with the details of Treasury’s surveillance of Flynn, she said.

    The whistleblower filed a subsequent complaint with the Office of Special Counsel May 2017, which is the permanent office established to work with whistleblowers and is not related to Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

    This surveillance program was run out of Treasury’s Office of Intelligence Analysis, which was then under the leadership of S. Leslie Ireland. Ireland came to OIA in 2010 after a long tenure at the Central Intelligence Agency and a one-year stint as Obama’s daily in-person intelligence briefer.

    The whistleblower said Treasury should never have been part of the unmasking of Flynn, because its surveillance operation was off-the-books. That is to say, the Justice Department never gave the required approval to the Treasury program, and so there were no guidelines, approvals nor reports that would be associated with a DOJ-sanctioned domestic surveillance operation.

    “Accessing this information without approved and signed attorney general guidelines would violate U.S. persons cons utional rights and civil liberties,” she said.

    “IC agencies have to adhere to Executive Order 12333, or as it is known in the community: E.O. 12-Triple-Three. Just because OIA does not have signed guidelines does not give them the power or right to operate as they want, if you want information on a U.S. person then work with the FBI on a le III, if it is a U.S. person involved with a foreign en y then follow the correct process for a FISA, but without signed AG guidelines you cannot even get started,” she said. le III refers to the FBI authority to electronically surveil Americans.

    https://theohiostar.com/2020/05/18/e...whistleblower/

    lololol

    you sure spend a lot of time reading that ^ garbage -


    but don't have time to read the Mueller report -

    so you just reveal and expose the fact of how stupid you are.

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    i've gone back and forth too... and good evidence for him being a secret right winger was his fervent defense of amber guyger for killing a scary black man in his own apartment.

    but honestly i just think he's a loon like booboo
    go yourself pal,

    I took a guess in that case and IIRC- I admitted to you I was wrong and even gave YOU props for being correct -


    not sure why you suddenly became a trump fellator tho'

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    https://thehill.com/regulation/court...ase-next-month


    A former judge appointed to argue against the Department of Justice's (DOJ) motion to drop charges against Michael Flynn intends to lay out his case next month, he told a federal court on Monday.

    John Gleeson was tapped to argue as a third party in the case after the Trump administration moved to drop its charges against the president's former national security adviser for lying to the FBI.

    Gleeson, a former federal judge in New York, proposed a June 10 deadline for his amicus brief.

    Judge Emmet G. Sullivan, a Clinton appointee who's presiding over the Flynn prosecution, tapped Gleeson for the role and instructed him to present an argument against the Justice Department's unusual motion and also explore whether Flynn committed perjury in reversing an earlier guilty plea.

    The DOJ's move has raised concerns from critics of political meddling in the case against President Trump's ally. A career prosecutor attached to the case withdrew shortly before the motion to drop charges was filed earlier this month.

    Flynn's attorneys are trying to fight Sullivan's appointment of an amicus in the case, saying it violates the separation of powers.

    "It is no accident that amicus briefs are excluded in criminal cases," Flynn's lawyers wrote in a filing last week. "A criminal case is a dispute between the United States and a criminal defendant. There is no place for third parties to meddle in the dispute, and certainly not to usurp the role of the government’s counsel. For the Court to allow another to stand in the place of the government would be a violation of the separation of powers."

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    go yourself pal,

    I took a guess in that case and IIRC- I admitted to you I was wrong and even gave YOU props for being correct -


    not sure why you suddenly became a trump fellator tho'
    quit stealing my

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    It is in the Mueller report. Read it.

    Last time I will answer your bull .

    Lazy ass.
    If it was in the Mueller report you claim to have read 5-6 times you would easily be able to post it, but it was never there and now you are just embarrassing yourself. Why would you lie about such a thing that is so easily disproven?

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    yep. next, to be determined if the court of appeals will even agree to take up the writ... and then how they would rule

    the law seems pretty clear that sullivan has some discretion, though. i dont know if this amounts to an abuse of discretion

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    If it was in the Mueller report you claim to have read 5-6 times you would easily be able to post it, but it was never there and now you are just embarrassing yourself. Why would you lie about such a thing that is so easily disproven?

    wrong again

    here is what would happen

    someone posts a truth :

    ”water is wet”

    you : “thats not true - water is not wet”

    so go yourself

    or read the mueller report when you really give a about truth

    pizzagate moron

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    wrong again

    here is what would happen

    someone posts a truth :

    ”water is wet”

    you : “thats not true - water is not wet”

    so go yourself

    or read the mueller report when you really give a about truth

    pizzagate moron
    Except you never posted a truth, you just made up a lie.

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    yep. next, to be determined if the court of appeals will even agree to take up the writ... and then how they would rule

    the law seems pretty clear that sullivan has some discretion, though. i dont know if this amounts to an abuse of discretion
    https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/...es-Amicus.aspx

    "Fifteen Republican state attorneys general on Monday told a federal judge they support the Trump administration dismissing former national security adviser Michael Flynn's criminal charge and warned the judge of overstepping his authority."

    "The AGs' brief on Monday was signed by top prosecutors from Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, Ohio, South Carolina, Texas, Utah and West Virginia.
    Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost is the lead writer on the filing.
    The Republican Attorneys General Association announced its submission of the filing on Monday, but it had not appeared as a filing in federal court. So far, Sullivan has only let Gleeson wade into the Justice Department case against Flynn.

    In the filing, the attorneys general say they and the Justice Department have all the power to charge crimes.
    "Judges have no share of the executive power, and thus no say in the decision whether to prosecute," the Republican state-level prosecutors wrote. "It has become trendy in recent years for courts to weigh in on the wisdom of this administration's policy decisions. Too often, that commentary comes in grandiose terms more appropriate for an op-ed than a judicial opinion. ... This trend is disastrous for the Judiciary, because it erodes public confidence in the courts' ability to serve as neutral arbiters in politically sensitive cases."

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/18/polit...dge/index.html

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    #Obamagate

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    https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/...es-Amicus.aspx

    "Fifteen Republican state attorneys general on Monday told a federal judge they support the Trump administration dismissing former national security adviser Michael Flynn's criminal charge and warned the judge of overstepping his authority."

    "The AGs' brief on Monday was signed by top prosecutors from Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, Ohio, South Carolina, Texas, Utah and West Virginia.
    Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost is the lead writer on the filing.
    The Republican Attorneys General Association announced its submission of the filing on Monday, but it had not appeared as a filing in federal court. So far, Sullivan has only let Gleeson wade into the Justice Department case against Flynn.

    In the filing, the attorneys general say they and the Justice Department have all the power to charge crimes.
    "Judges have no share of the executive power, and thus no say in the decision whether to prosecute," the Republican state-level prosecutors wrote. "It has become trendy in recent years for courts to weigh in on the wisdom of this administration's policy decisions. Too often, that commentary comes in grandiose terms more appropriate for an op-ed than a judicial opinion. ... This trend is disastrous for the Judiciary, because it erodes public confidence in the courts' ability to serve as neutral arbiters in politically sensitive cases."

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/18/polit...dge/index.html
    yeah. its politics, not law.

    i think sullivan smells that, which is why he's having argument heard anyway, instead of just granting the prosecution's motion

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    #Obamagate

    Qhris

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    I would say neat backfire here by team Trump but that's under playing their high incompetence.

    This is Nunes memos all over again.

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    I would say neat backfire here by team Trump but that's under playing their high incompetence.

    This is Nunes memos all over again.
    We asked the FBI director if we shouldn't trust that lying pile we fired because we didn't trust him and the same pile we told Trump to not trust.

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    Its nothing less than amazing how hard trump cultists clutch their pearls

    over absolutely nothing. Time and time again.

    Never can they grasp the simple truth: trump team sold out the us to russia and then tried to cover it up when they got caught.


    its just that simple and all the twisting and mental gymnastics and propaganda and misinformation

    can only lead to the same conclusion: trump team are disgraceful unpatriotic traitors.

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    I would say neat backfire here by team Trump but that's under playing their high incompetence.

    This is Nunes memos all over again.
    Tell me more about the Nunes memo.

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