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    The funny thing is he's so desperate to be right he has to lie about what everyone on his enemies list says and thinks.
    God forbid one ever has to say "I was wrong".

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    I didn't say that. Looks like you're the one who can't read.

    Some would experience exponential growth. Others wouldn't have taken it seriously unless they were made to. I was pretty clear.

    Bitter, ignorant, naive, jobless, AND illiterate. Damn. No wonder you're mad.
    Here you go karen....

    Without any lockdowns there were places that would've hit exponential growth.

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    Here you go karen....

    Without any lockdowns there were places that would've hit exponential growth.
    Good to see we're on the same page. You still alive after that? I know it must've been hard.

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    Good to see we're on the same page. You still alive after that? I know it must've been hard.
    Bwahahhaahh WRONG bwahahahaha

    Lockdowns needed... bwahahahhahahaha

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    Bwahahhaahh WRONG bwahahahaha

    Lockdowns needed... bwahahahhahahaha
    You already agreed.

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    You already agreed.
    hahahahhaha you don't understand what science is. Bqahahahhahaha nor how it is used for, wait for it... lockdowns of all society. Hahahahahhaha you

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    hahahahhaha you don't understand what science is. Bqahahahhahaha nor how it is used for, wait for it... lockdowns of all society. Hahahahahhaha you
    Why do you have to lie?

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    Contact Tracing

    Experts consulted by Bloomberg News also suggested a myriad of factors that contributed to the outcome, and none could point to a singular policy package that could be replicated in other countries.

    Nonetheless, these measures still offer long-term lessons for countries in the middle of pandemic that may yet last for years.

    An early grassroots response to rising infections was crucial. While the central government has been criticised for its slow policy steps, experts praise the role of Japan’s contact tracers, which swung into action after the first infections were found in January.

    The fast response was enabled by one of Japan’s inbuilt advantages — its public health centres, which in 2018 employed more than half of 50,000 public health nurses who are experienced in infection tracing. In normal times, these nurses would be tracking down more common infections such as influenza and tuberculosis.

    “It’s very analogue — it’s not an app-based system like Singapore,” said Kazuto Suzuki, a professor of public policy at Hokkaido University who has written about Japan’s response. “But nevertheless, it has been very useful.”

    While countries such as the US and the UK are just beginning to hire and train contact tracers as they attempt to reopen their economies, Japan has been tracking the movement of the disease since the first handful of cases were found.

    These local experts focused on tackling clusters, or groups of infections from a single location such as clubs or hospitals, to contain cases before they got out of control.

    “Many people say we don’t have a Centers for Disease Control in Japan,” said Yoko Tsukamoto, a professor of infection control at the Health Sciences University of Hokkaido, citing a frequently held complaint about Japan’s infection management. “But the public health centre is a kind of local CDC.”

    'Burning Car'

    The early response was also boosted by an unlikely happening. Japan’s battle with the virus first came to mainstream international attention with its much-criticised response to the Diamond Princess cruise ship in February that led to hundreds of infections.

    Still, the experience of the ship is credited with providing Japanese experts with invaluable data early in the crisis on how the virus spread, as well as catapulting it into the public consciousness.

    Other countries still saw the virus as someone else’s problem, said Tanaka. But in Japan, the international scrutiny over the infections onboard and the pace at which the virus raced throughout the ship raised awareness and recognition that the same can happen across the country, he said. “For Japan, it was like having a burning car right outside your house.”

    Although political leadership was criticised as lacking, that allowed doctors and medical experts to come to the fore — typically seen as a best practice in managing public health emergencies. “You could say that Japan has had an expert-led approach, unlike other countries,” Tanaka said.

    Experts are also credited with creating an easy-to-understand message of avoiding what are called the “Three C’s” — closed spaces, crowded spaces and close-contact settings — rather than keeping away from others entirely.

    “Social distancing may work, but it doesn’t really help to continue normal social life,” said Hokkaido University’s Suzuki. “The ‘Three C’s’ are a much more pragmatic approach and very effective, while having a similar effect.”

    Different Strain

    Infectious disease experts also pointed to other determinants, with Shigeru Omi, the deputy head of the expert panel advising the Japanese government and a former chief of the WHO Western Pacific office, citing Japanese people’s health consciousness as possibly the most important factor.

    The possibility that the virus strain spreading in Japan may have been different, and less dangerous, to that faced by other nations, has also been raised.

    Researchers at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in the US studied coronavirus variants in a database and found one strain of the virus spreading through Europe that had several mutations distinguishing it from the Asian version, according to a paper put in early May.

    Although the study has not been peer-reviewed and drawn some criticism, the findings point to a need to more thoroughly study how the virus changes.

    Large questions still remain over the true extent of the pathogen’s spread. In April, a Tokyo hospital conducted tests on a handful of non-Covid patients and found that around 7% had the coronavirus, showing the danger of missing asymptomatic or mild carriers that can become the source of an outbreak.

    An antibody test on 500 people in the capital suggested the true outbreak could be nearly 20 times larger than figures have shown. Analogue contact tracing breaks down when infection numbers are high, and reports of people unable to get tested or even medical treatment for Covid-like symptoms peppered social media during the height of the outbreak.

    And the fact remains that Japan’s response was less than perfect. While the overall population is much smaller, Asian neighbours such as Taiwan had just seven confirmed deaths from the virus, while Vietnam had none.

    “You can’t say the Japan response was amazing,” said Norio Sugaya, a visiting professor at Keio University’s School of Medicine in Tokyo and a member of a World Health Organization panel advising on pandemic influenza. “If you look at the other Asian countries, they all had a death rate that was about 1/100th of Western countries.”

    Buying Time

    While Japan may have avoided the worst of the health outcomes, the loose lockdown hasn’t protected the country from the economic impact. Its economy, already dealing with the impact of a sales tax hike in October, officially slid into recession in the first three months of the year.

    Economists have warned the second quarter will be the worst on record, and the specter of deflation, which haunted the economy for decades, once again looms. Tourist numbers plummeted 99.9% in April after the country shut its borders, putting the brakes on a booming industry that had promised to be a growth driver for years. As in other countries, bankruptcies have risen sharply.

    Even with the end of the state of emergency in sight, authorities are warning that life will not return to normal. When case numbers slowed in early March, there was public optimism that the worst was over — only for cases to e again and trigger the emergency declaration.

    If a deadlier second wave does follow, the risk factor in Japan, which has the world’s oldest population, remains high. The country has speedily approved Gilead Sciences’ remdesivir and is now scrambling to allow the use of still unproven Fujifilm antiviral Avigan. There are calls for the country to use the time it has bought itself to shore up its testing and learn in the way its neighbours did from Sars and Mers.

    Officials have begun to speak of a phase in which people “live with the virus”, with a recognition that Japan’s approach has no possibility of wiping out the pathogen.

    “We have to assume that the second wave could be much worse than the first wave and prepare for it,” said Yoshihito Niki, a professor of infectious diseases at Showa University’s School of Medicine. “If the next explosion of cases is worse, the medical system will break down.”

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    Why do you have to lie?
    He can't help himself. It just gets sadder and sadder.

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    Why do you have to lie?
    I didn't lie. He said lockdowns were necessary or the virus would essentially be out of control.
    .. Many places prove him and you wrong. ....

    He also said enemy list, which is textbook Karen

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    Contact Tracing

    Experts consulted by Bloomberg News also suggested a myriad of factors that contributed to the outcome, and none could point to a singular policy package that could be replicated in other countries.

    Nonetheless, these measures still offer long-term lessons for countries in the middle of pandemic that may yet last for years.

    An early grassroots response to rising infections was crucial. While the central government has been criticised for its slow policy steps, experts praise the role of Japan’s contact tracers, which swung into action after the first infections were found in January.

    The fast response was enabled by one of Japan’s inbuilt advantages — its public health centres, which in 2018 employed more than half of 50,000 public health nurses who are experienced in infection tracing. In normal times, these nurses would be tracking down more common infections such as influenza and tuberculosis.

    “It’s very analogue — it’s not an app-based system like Singapore,” said Kazuto Suzuki, a professor of public policy at Hokkaido University who has written about Japan’s response. “But nevertheless, it has been very useful.”

    While countries such as the US and the UK are just beginning to hire and train contact tracers as they attempt to reopen their economies, Japan has been tracking the movement of the disease since the first handful of cases were found.

    These local experts focused on tackling clusters, or groups of infections from a single location such as clubs or hospitals, to contain cases before they got out of control.

    “Many people say we don’t have a Centers for Disease Control in Japan,” said Yoko Tsukamoto, a professor of infection control at the Health Sciences University of Hokkaido, citing a frequently held complaint about Japan’s infection management. “But the public health centre is a kind of local CDC.”

    'Burning Car'

    The early response was also boosted by an unlikely happening. Japan’s battle with the virus first came to mainstream international attention with its much-criticised response to the Diamond Princess cruise ship in February that led to hundreds of infections.

    Still, the experience of the ship is credited with providing Japanese experts with invaluable data early in the crisis on how the virus spread, as well as catapulting it into the public consciousness.

    Other countries still saw the virus as someone else’s problem, said Tanaka. But in Japan, the international scrutiny over the infections onboard and the pace at which the virus raced throughout the ship raised awareness and recognition that the same can happen across the country, he said. “For Japan, it was like having a burning car right outside your house.”

    Although political leadership was criticised as lacking, that allowed doctors and medical experts to come to the fore — typically seen as a best practice in managing public health emergencies. “You could say that Japan has had an expert-led approach, unlike other countries,” Tanaka said.

    Experts are also credited with creating an easy-to-understand message of avoiding what are called the “Three C’s” — closed spaces, crowded spaces and close-contact settings — rather than keeping away from others entirely.

    “Social distancing may work, but it doesn’t really help to continue normal social life,” said Hokkaido University’s Suzuki. “The ‘Three C’s’ are a much more pragmatic approach and very effective, while having a similar effect.”

    Different Strain

    Infectious disease experts also pointed to other determinants, with Shigeru Omi, the deputy head of the expert panel advising the Japanese government and a former chief of the WHO Western Pacific office, citing Japanese people’s health consciousness as possibly the most important factor.

    The possibility that the virus strain spreading in Japan may have been different, and less dangerous, to that faced by other nations, has also been raised.

    Researchers at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in the US studied coronavirus variants in a database and found one strain of the virus spreading through Europe that had several mutations distinguishing it from the Asian version, according to a paper put in early May.

    Although the study has not been peer-reviewed and drawn some criticism, the findings point to a need to more thoroughly study how the virus changes.

    Large questions still remain over the true extent of the pathogen’s spread. In April, a Tokyo hospital conducted tests on a handful of non-Covid patients and found that around 7% had the coronavirus, showing the danger of missing asymptomatic or mild carriers that can become the source of an outbreak.

    An antibody test on 500 people in the capital suggested the true outbreak could be nearly 20 times larger than figures have shown. Analogue contact tracing breaks down when infection numbers are high, and reports of people unable to get tested or even medical treatment for Covid-like symptoms peppered social media during the height of the outbreak.

    And the fact remains that Japan’s response was less than perfect. While the overall population is much smaller, Asian neighbours such as Taiwan had just seven confirmed deaths from the virus, while Vietnam had none.

    “You can’t say the Japan response was amazing,” said Norio Sugaya, a visiting professor at Keio University’s School of Medicine in Tokyo and a member of a World Health Organization panel advising on pandemic influenza. “If you look at the other Asian countries, they all had a death rate that was about 1/100th of Western countries.”

    Buying Time

    While Japan may have avoided the worst of the health outcomes, the loose lockdown hasn’t protected the country from the economic impact. Its economy, already dealing with the impact of a sales tax hike in October, officially slid into recession in the first three months of the year.

    Economists have warned the second quarter will be the worst on record, and the specter of deflation, which haunted the economy for decades, once again looms. Tourist numbers plummeted 99.9% in April after the country shut its borders, putting the brakes on a booming industry that had promised to be a growth driver for years. As in other countries, bankruptcies have risen sharply.

    Even with the end of the state of emergency in sight, authorities are warning that life will not return to normal. When case numbers slowed in early March, there was public optimism that the worst was over — only for cases to e again and trigger the emergency declaration.

    If a deadlier second wave does follow, the risk factor in Japan, which has the world’s oldest population, remains high. The country has speedily approved Gilead Sciences’ remdesivir and is now scrambling to allow the use of still unproven Fujifilm antiviral Avigan. There are calls for the country to use the time it has bought itself to shore up its testing and learn in the way its neighbours did from Sars and Mers.

    Officials have begun to speak of a phase in which people “live with the virus”, with a recognition that Japan’s approach has no possibility of wiping out the pathogen.

    “We have to assume that the second wave could be much worse than the first wave and prepare for it,” said Yoshihito Niki, a professor of infectious diseases at Showa University’s School of Medicine. “If the next explosion of cases is worse, the medical system will break down.”
    Ahh contract tracing. Imagine if we had did that and the lockdowns earlier. We wouldn't even be having these conversations right now with the screeching autist tholdren.

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    I didn't lie. He said lockdowns were necessary or the virus would essentially be out of control.
    .. Many places prove him and you wrong. ....

    He also said enemy list, which is textbook Karen
    There are only a certain few you reply to whether you agree with them or not. It's obvious you have one.

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    Ahh contract tracing. Imagine if we had did that and the lockdowns earlier. We wouldn't even be having these conversations right now with the screeching autist tholdren.
    Lol you must not had read this.... Japan’s approach has no possibility of wiping out the pathogen.

    Bwahahaha you don't even understand what you quoted because of your emotional...... meltdown. Hahahahhah enemy list

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    There are only a certain few you reply to whether you agree with them or not. It's obvious you have one.
    Only dumbest of the Karens..... look at you so worked up. Becauae you were Wrong about lockdowns. But tell us more about exponential growth...of this or other seasonal viruses.... bwahahahhah

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    I didn't lie. He said lockdowns were necessary or the virus would essentially be out of control.
    .. Many places prove him and you wrong. ....
    Now you're lying about what you said he said.

    Why do you lie?

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    Now you're lying about what you said he said.

    Why do you lie?
    f5f5f5f5f5

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    Ahh contract tracing. Imagine if we had did that and the lockdowns earlier. We wouldn't even be having these conversations right now with the screeching autist tholdren.
    Here you go karen....
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini....co/IbeknE7Pq0

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    Ahh contract tracing. Imagine if we had did that and the lockdowns earlier. We wouldn't even be having these conversations right now with the screeching autist tholdren.
    Imagine if Trash had obeyed multiple warnings and SECRETLY started the govt preparing in December for the inevitable Trump-made Trump Pandemic.

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    Imagine if Trash had obeyed multiple warnings and SECRETLY started the govt preparing in December for the inevitable Trump-made Trump Pandemic.
    Too quick to hit that trigger or too dumb to read.. from the article...

    Having botched that initial response, health officials appear to have gotten it wrong again by letting people return home without placing them in proper quarantine facilities.

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    Now you're trying to change the subject.

    Why do you lie?

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    Now you're trying to change the subject.

    Why do you lie?
    You must have missed the above posts. I gave you one from the Washington post who has your same opinions and disregard for science. This was their opinion of Japan several weeks ago.

    Speaking of that. Whatever happened to that Colorado restaurant that was packed on mothers day. Didn't you say you wanted to wait 2 weeks.... nows your time....

    Karen

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    You must have missed the above posts. I gave you one from the Washington post who has your same opinions and disregard for science. This was their opinion of Japan several weeks ago.
    you mean over three months ago.

    dumbass Karen

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    you mean months.

    dumbass Karen
    bwahahahja thats what you got out of it? Typical Karen correcting grammar when there's no way out.

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    Only dumbest of the Karens..... look at you so worked up. Becauae you were Wrong about lockdowns. But tell us more about exponential growth...of this or other seasonal viruses.... bwahahahhah
    Look at my post and yours.

    Who is worked up?

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    bwahahahja thats what you got out of it? Typical Karen correcting grammar when there's no way out.
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