I guess I can see the benefit of threat of defunding but there's no way in you can run without a Police Department. The extreme left is once again stepping all over their s. You get handed this on a silver platter and you it up.
No we'll confiscate guns but not the police because they don't exist - we will assign a group of people and call them the patrol and they will have power to do these types of things and we'll have people in places to issue them permission to do so and these people will have marked cars and uniforms.
i dont think the whole "defund the police" thing means you have literally no law enforcement and just the wild west with the "community" protecting itself, but rather a reimagining of what the police should be responsible for.
police departments in big cities rightfully complain that they are being asked to solve too many of society's problems. in addition to blue collar crime, they are tasked with dealing with homeless situations, opioid crises, cyber crime, domestic disputes, mental health issues (LA County Jail is the largest mental health ins ution in the country). the idea is to slash funding but also responsibility, and re-allocating much of the funding towards social services meant to address those underlying issues, and more of an emphasis on community policing (ie people actually patrolling communities they are familiar with).
Camden NJ dismantled their entire police department in 2012 and rebuilt it from the ground up, with more emphasis on foot patrols, to great results.
looks like chicago already disbanded the police
Chicago just all last week:
Shot & Killed: 29
Shot & Wounded: 138
Total Shot: 167
Total Homicides: 32
Lets march and destroy for all of dem people!! #BLM!!!!
It's a huge branding problem. The Left tends to use slogans that are more provocative than what they actually mean and ask you to educate yourself before jumping to conclusions.
Meanwhile, the Right puts out stuff like Save Chick Fil-A and The Patriot Act. If they decided to defund public schools, they wouldn't call it "Defund Teachers," they'd call it the "Protect Our Children Act" and rightly assume that most people won't read up on the details.
They better get their messaging right. Defund and disband the police just sounds...awful.
People's first reaction will always be pushback when they hear that because they think it means zero police presence. Cant blame them for thinking that.
This could be what Trump needed to kickstart his racist base and get back those independents he's bleeding out.
The islamic s bag brother ers are trying to take over as well as their white rich antifa commie counterparts.
It is not about reading/not reading
Left likes catchy shock provoking slogans because the focus is youth/teenagers.
It is actually smart strategy in the Hashtag era
What are they supposed to think, tranny?
Cool story, dump.
Oh, you weren't serious about any of this. OK.
Are you super serious about this?
or "no child left behind"
About police killing people. Yes. I am serious about that.
Since when is being in the top 10 most dangerous cities a great result? They were #4 as recently as 2017.
By the way thanks for the link and info Reck.
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/blog/top100dangerous
But you don't even think it's super serious.
As a former resident of MPLS, I can say there will be a lot of people in serious danger w/o the police.
Gonna be a lot of live leak videos coming out of there.
Saying "super serious" isn't serious.
there's been improvement since 2012
https://www.nj.com/camden/2018/01/ca...n_decades.html
im not saying you have to be in favor of the policy, but i think people discussing it have something of an obligation to understand what "defund the police" actually means, even if the branding is horrible
I lived in Plymouth for several years over in the medicine lake area.
Nor is fallacious argumentation.
Yea, I lived in a town probably five to seven miles from there. Not sure if I went there or not, but I remember it.
What was fallacious about it?
You know. Worse yet, it's your M.O.
What does this all add up to? That’s not yet clear. Assessing individual cities’ yearly crime statistics (or individual years’ city-level crimes) can be inherently misleading, says Inimai Chettiar, director of the Brennan Center for Justice’s Justice Program. “What’s been happening over [the last three years] have been short-term ups and downs,” she said. “So it’s still hard to tell whether there’s actually something going on or whether those are just blips.”there's been improvement since 2012
https://www.nj.com/camden/2018/01/ca...n_decades.html
im not saying you have to be in favor of the policy, but i think people discussing it have something of an obligation to understand what "defund the police" actually means, even if the branding is horrible
Ames Grawert, the Brennan Justice Center’s counsel, voices a similar concern. “It’s easy to extrapolate from a single year of data to a trend, but that’s not always true,” he said. “Cities big and small both experience normal fluctuations in crime rates over the years.”
That might be the case with Camden’s homicide drop, which, while encouraging, has hardly transformed the city’s overall numbers. “It’s progress, it’s not success,” Thomson said. “We still have extreme challenges that keep us up at night and spring us out of bed in the morning.”
Indeed, Camden’s violent crime rate in 2017 remained dire enough to place the city at number four on Neighborhood Scout’s annual list of America’s most dangerous cities. The number of nonfatal shooting hit incidents has dropped 45 percent since 2012—but is back up in 2017 from last year’s levels. Meanwhile, aggravated assaults with a firearm have gotten more frequent in the past three years.
The numbers themselves can be potentially misleading: Homicide rates, for example, aren’t necessarily a complete measure of urban violence. Just because fewer people are dying from gunshot wounds doesn’t mean fewer people are getting shot: It could also mean they’re getting better treatment, faster. One of Thomson’s Camden policies, nicknamed “Scoop and Go,” may be at work here, which mandates officers to personally drive victims to the hospital if ambulance wait times are too long. That saves lives, without really addressing the source of the violence itself. (Another possible factor: More victims are just getting to the hospital faster by calling an Uber.)
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/...camden/549542/
How do you know what the Minneapolis City Council means by “defund the police” when they admitted they don’t even know what it means yet as they don’t have plan in place at this time.
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