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It's hard to get behind or fully understand what this whole is about when you have videos like this going viral. The idiot makes it clear what defunding police means to her, and the crowd cheers.
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and yet their violent crime rates have also been going down, not just homicide.
again, im not necessarily parading this around as the model that every police department in the country should follow. i'm just saying that "defund and dismantle the police" is what they did and it isn't a state of anarchy and chaos
i dont know what their exact measures are going to be. they aren't going to eliminate emergency responseHow do you know what the Minneapolis City Council means by “defund the police” when they admitted they don’t even know what it means yet as they don’t have plan in place at this time.
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i dont think the whole "defund the police" thing means you have literally no law enforcement and just the wild west with the "community" protecting itself, but rather a reimagining of what the police should be responsible for.
No social distancing. People gonna be dying by the dozens.
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derp comfort folds with buzzwords
cherp keeps chirping. Par.
i dont think the whole "defund the police" thing means you have literally no law enforcement and just the wild west with the "community" protecting itself, but rather a reimagining of what the police should be responsible for.https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-really-means/Defunding and abolition probably mean something different from what you are thinking. For most proponents, “defunding the police” does not mean zeroing out budgets for public safety, and police abolition does not mean that police will disappear overnight — or perhaps ever. Defunding the police means shrinking the scope of police responsibilities and shifting most of what government does to keep us safe to en ies that are better equipped to meet that need. It means investing more in mental-health care and housing, and expanding the use of community mediation and violence interruption programs.
Police abolition means reducing, with the vision of eventually eliminating, our reliance on policing to secure our public safety. It means recognizing that criminalizing addiction and poverty, making 10 million arrests per year and mass incarceration have not provided the public safety we want and never will. The “abolition” language is important because it reminds us that policing has been the primary vehicle for using violence to perpetuate the unjustified white control over the bodies and lives of black people that has been with us since slavery. That aspect of policing must be literally abolished.
Do you honestly think the thousands of protestors booing and shaming the mayor for saying he didn’t want to abolish the police are using these same definitions?
lady on the megaphone is riling them up to be fair, and if she literally wants no law enforcement presence then i disagree with her and dont believe that it is a mainstream opinion, even among the "defund the police" fringe
Do you honestly think the thousands of protestors booing and shaming the mayor for saying he didn’t want to abolish the police are using these same definitions?
Your definition of “defund the police” does not seem to be in line with those in Minneapolis who want to defund the police. Posting definitions from WaPo isn’t changing what they actually want.
That is the fringe. And to a man/woman they're pretty much all booing and taunting American Trudeau.
how about with what decision makers in minneapolis have said...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minneap...isband-police/Concrete details about how to do the work of dismantling MPD were less defined, although council member Philippe Cunningham said the upcoming budget is a great place to start.
"We're not going to tomorrow all the sudden have nobody for you to call for help. There will be thoughtful and intentional work that's done, research engagement, learning that happens in a transition that will happen over time," Cunningham said.
they've basically just passed a resolution, haven't actually put onto paper what they are envisioning... which they should be working to do asap to quell people's concerns that 911 will be met with a dial tone
They ate their young
Your copy/paste button must have malfunctioned.
“We're not going to tomorrow all the sudden have nobody for you to call for help. There will be thoughtful and intentional work that's done, research engagement, learning that happens in a transition that will happen over time," Cunningham said.
Many people have asked, in this visionary future with no police, "Who do you call when there's no 911?" One of the speakers on Sunday said it would be family and neighbors.“
no malfunction, i provided the link for that purpose.Your copy/paste button must have malfunctioned.
“We're not going to tomorrow all the sudden have nobody for you to call for help. There will be thoughtful and intentional work that's done, research engagement, learning that happens in a transition that will happen over time," Cunningham said.
Many people have asked, in this visionary future with no police, "Who do you call when there's no 911?" One of the speakers on Sunday said it would be family and neighbors.“
i dont know who that one speaker was, if they were from the council, or what. like i said, i'm with you that i would disagree with "zero law enforcement presence" or no emergency response. i just dont see much reason to believe that this is the mainstream position of the "defund the police" groups based on everything i'm reading and hearing.
camden disbanded their police department. they still have a law enforcement presence and 911 emergency response
I don’t think Minneapolis holds the mainstream position of defund the police.
Camden actually added more police officers than it had before it disbanded.
yep more patrol with a much heavier emphasis on community policing (non-crisis interaction), people who got to know the neighborhood etc, not just a goon squad that is dispatched to an area where they dont know any of they people they are interacting with. they also have a much heavier emphasis on de-escalation, revamped use of force policies, etc
If they not gonna social distance they need to take off their masks. Idiots.
Maybe they leave their masks on to protect their iden y rather than trying to protect themselves from the virus. But most of them are leftists. I doubt they woke enough to know any better.
Which speaker was that?Your copy/paste button must have malfunctioned.
“We're not going to tomorrow all the sudden have nobody for you to call for help. There will be thoughtful and intentional work that's done, research engagement, learning that happens in a transition that will happen over time," Cunningham said.
Many people have asked, in this visionary future with no police, "Who do you call when there's no 911?" One of the speakers on Sunday said it would be family and neighbors.“
The mayor?
City council?
I think your confirmation bias guides your mouse and cursor.
You guys had to settle for Republican Obama.
Yeah, there's a difference between disbanding and defunding. Disbanding pretty much means firing everyone and rehiring folks fresh. That could help combat the effects of an entrenched culture of violence, which honestly the Minneapolis PD seems to have. Defunding is basically reducing the number of police officers and replacing them with specialists who are actually trained to handle the non-violent elements of police work. If someone is robbing a bank, the police would still be called. But if a homeless guy is wandering around disrupting others, a social worker would go instead. This decreases the number of situations where the authority can introduce a gun into the conflict and makes it easier to train police officers by narrowing their expected duties. Even in a world without any concern over racism of overmilitarization of police, you'd still have an issue with cops who are asked to handle too many different situations. It's a waste of money.
It's crazy that the idea of defunding it controversial, though I guess they could pick a better name. It's a win-win-win for everyone except ty cops who wouldn't get a job in the smaller pools and who refuse to retrain.
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