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    https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/...camden/549542/


    What Happened to Crime in Camden?
    Often ranked as one of the deadliest cities in America, Camden, New Jersey, ended 2017 with its lowest homicide rate since the 1980s.


    When Camden, New Jersey’s Chief of Police J. Scott Thomson joined the Camden police force as an officer 25 years ago, there were 175 open-air drug markets lining just nine square miles of streets. The murder rates in this city of 75,000 just across the Delaware River from Philadelphia regularly climbed to more than six times the national average. “Criminals operated with impunity,” Thomson said.

    After a particularly deadly year in 1995, Camden’s Cathedral of Immaculate Conception began illuminating one candle for each homicide victim. In 2012, the year ended with 67 candles—a rate of about 87 murders per 100,000 residents, which ranked Camden fifth nationwide.

    But on New Year’s 2018, just 22 candles were lit: The city’s murder rate fell to its lowest since 1987. The number of annual killings has been in decline since 2012; so have robberies, aggravated assaults, violent crimes, property crimes, and non-fatal shooting incidents.

    So what’s happening in this city, which for many years has been deemed among the dangerous in America? Thomson, who took the helm of the Camden police force in 2008, says the biggest factor may have been the change in structure of the department itself. In 2013, the Camden Police Department was disbanded, reimagined, and born again as the Camden County Police Department, with more officers at lower pay—and a strategic shift toward “community policing.”

    That meant focusing on rebuilding trust between the community and their officers.

    “For us to make the neighborhood look and feel the way everyone wanted it to, it wasn’t going to be achieved by having a police officer with a helmet and a shotgun standing on a corner,” Thomson said. Now, he wants his officers “to identify more with being in the Peace Corps than being in the Special Forces.”

    A conversation with Thomson about community policing is likely to involve many such catchy maxims. “Destabilized communities,” he told me, “need guardians, not warriors.” He explained the “Back to the Future Paradox”—use technology wisely, but pair it with regular-old “Bobbies on the street.” And he stressed the idea that public safety is about access to social services, economic rejuvenation, and good schools, not just cops: “Nothing stops a bullet like a job.”

    It’s policing turned poetry, and his officers, too, have internalized it in their training. “The old police mantra was make it home safely,” Camden police officer Tyrell Bagby told the New York Times in April. “Now we’re being taught not only should we make it home safely, but so should the victim and the suspect.”

    According to Camden’s mayor, Frank Moran, this ethos also extends outside of patrol hours. “These guys are more than just reporting 9-to-5 in uniform,” he told me. “They’re taking their own time and being mentors in the community. That speaks volumes.”

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    Truth bombs. But I'm sure some whitey who benefits from not being racially profiled by crooked white cops will disagree. SMH

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    more officers at lower pay

    They replaced their police dept.

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    CORRECTION: This story has been amended to correct the change in officer count after the police department was disbanded and rebuilt. The new department had more officers, not fewer - maybe people ought to use a different word than defunding because I'm sure this costs MORE - not less or nil.

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    CORRECTION: This story has been amended to correct the change in officer count after the police department was disbanded and rebuilt. The new department had more officers, not fewer - maybe people ought to use a different word than defunding because I'm sure this costs MORE - not less or nil.
    Nobody is saying we need LESS police

    minneapolis is kicking the police out of their city. instead of paying out of shape, lazy and racist cops 60-70K. The Rambo approach isn't working and re-directing resources in community identified needs is the right way. No way should a cop with a HS diploma and PTSD from wars make more than a school teacher.

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    Trump/Fox News know all this, but “THEY WANNA TAKE COPS AWAY” is a better way to scare rich white people.

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    Trump/Fox News know all this, but “THEY WANNA TAKE COPS AWAY” is a better way to scare rich white people.
    Great point Focker

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    Great point Focker
    You can milk anything with nipples, Alejandro.

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    Nobody is saying we need LESS police

    minneapolis is kicking the police out of their city. instead of paying out of shape, lazy and racist cops 60-70K. The Rambo approach isn't working and re-directing resources in community identified needs is the right way. No way should a cop with a HS diploma and PTSD from wars make more than a school teacher.
    So defund the police means a larger and more professional police force?

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    So defund the police means a larger and more professional police force?
    Accidentally coming to the right conclusion.

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    You can milk anything with nipples, Alejandro.


    I got nipples. Can you milk me Muther Focker?

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    Nobody is saying we need LESS police

    minneapolis is kicking the police out of their city. instead of paying out of shape, lazy and racist cops 60-70K. The Rambo approach isn't working and re-directing resources in community identified needs is the right way. No way should a cop with a HS diploma and PTSD from wars make more than a school teacher.
    I've always wondered why they allow kids straight out of high school to be cops, tbh. You can't tell me a couple of weeks at an academy is enough education or training.

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    So defund the police means a larger and more professional police force?
    yes and less racist too

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    https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/...camden/549542/


    What Happened to Crime in Camden?
    Often ranked as one of the deadliest cities in America, Camden, New Jersey, ended 2017 with its lowest homicide rate since the 1980s.


    When Camden, New Jersey’s Chief of Police J. Scott Thomson joined the Camden police force as an officer 25 years ago, there were 175 open-air drug markets lining just nine square miles of streets. The murder rates in this city of 75,000 just across the Delaware River from Philadelphia regularly climbed to more than six times the national average. “Criminals operated with impunity,” Thomson said.

    After a particularly deadly year in 1995, Camden’s Cathedral of Immaculate Conception began illuminating one candle for each homicide victim. In 2012, the year ended with 67 candles—a rate of about 87 murders per 100,000 residents, which ranked Camden fifth nationwide.

    But on New Year’s 2018, just 22 candles were lit: The city’s murder rate fell to its lowest since 1987. The number of annual killings has been in decline since 2012; so have robberies, aggravated assaults, violent crimes, property crimes, and non-fatal shooting incidents.

    So what’s happening in this city, which for many years has been deemed among the dangerous in America? Thomson, who took the helm of the Camden police force in 2008, says the biggest factor may have been the change in structure of the department itself. In 2013, the Camden Police Department was disbanded, reimagined, and born again as the Camden County Police Department, with more officers at lower pay—and a strategic shift toward “community policing.”

    That meant focusing on rebuilding trust between the community and their officers.

    “For us to make the neighborhood look and feel the way everyone wanted it to, it wasn’t going to be achieved by having a police officer with a helmet and a shotgun standing on a corner,” Thomson said. Now, he wants his officers “to identify more with being in the Peace Corps than being in the Special Forces.”

    A conversation with Thomson about community policing is likely to involve many such catchy maxims. “Destabilized communities,” he told me, “need guardians, not warriors.” He explained the “Back to the Future Paradox”—use technology wisely, but pair it with regular-old “Bobbies on the street.” And he stressed the idea that public safety is about access to social services, economic rejuvenation, and good schools, not just cops: “Nothing stops a bullet like a job.”

    It’s policing turned poetry, and his officers, too, have internalized it in their training. “The old police mantra was make it home safely,” Camden police officer Tyrell Bagby told the New York Times in April. “Now we’re being taught not only should we make it home safely, but so should the victim and the suspect.”

    According to Camden’s mayor, Frank Moran, this ethos also extends outside of patrol hours. “These guys are more than just reporting 9-to-5 in uniform,” he told me. “They’re taking their own time and being mentors in the community. That speaks volumes.”

    Click on Link for rest of article.


    This.

    If we spent as much on social services as we did on militarized police... we would not need militarized police.

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    So defund the police means a larger and more professional police force?
    It means not shoveling responsibility for all of society's ills on the police.

    Dallas police chief made some good points along those lines in 2016. if you want to back the blue and reduce officer deaths, get mentally ill people the help they need, along with some serious help for domestic abusers.

    A Practical Guide to Defunding the Police
    https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...olice-1007254/

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    Nobody is saying we need LESS police

    minneapolis is kicking the police out of their city. instead of paying out of shape, lazy and racist cops 60-70K. The Rambo approach isn't working and re-directing resources in community identified needs is the right way. No way should a cop with a HS diploma and PTSD from wars make more than a school teacher.
    the other thing that disbanding the entire force does is makes all the cops interview for thier old jobs back.

    Police contracts generally protect problem officers with a lot of complaints from discipline. this goes around that. Too many complaints... you aren't hired.

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    It means not shoveling responsibility for all of society's ills on the police.

    Dallas police chief made some good points along those lines in 2016. if you want to back the blue and reduce officer deaths, get mentally ill people the help they need, along with some serious help for domestic abusers.

    A Practical Guide to Defunding the Police
    https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...olice-1007254/
    Maybe you can go to some of the protests and Democratsplain what it means to the people saying it means disband the police and talking about a police free future.

    No, no, no angry mob what you really mean is keep the police and raise taxes so we can provide more govt services.

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    Maybe you can go to some of the protests and Democratsplain what it means to the people saying it means disband the police and talking about a police free future.

    No, no, no angry mob what you really mean is keep the police and raise taxes so we can provide more govt services.
    You really think a few people in a "mob" are going to effect completely eliminating a police force?

    Of course you don't.

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    You really think a few people in a "mob" are going to effect completely eliminating a police force?

    Of course you don't.
    I didn't say anything along those lines. Just encouraging RG to go explain to them what they really mean.

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    the other thing that disbanding the entire force does is makes all the cops interview for thier old jobs back.

    Police contracts generally protect problem officers with a lot of complaints from discipline. this goes around that. Too many complaints... you aren't hired.
    Sounds like a call against police unions (and teachers' unions). I'm all for getting rid of bad cops and bad teachers but isn't it the Dem party that tows to the unions' bidding (and prevents school choice which I believe is a better way out of poverty).

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    I didn't say anything along those lines. Just encouraging RG to go explain to them what they really mean.
    Why? Are they the people actually making the decisions?

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