Minneapolis police station surrounded, officers under attack as riots explode

[spurraider21]

When that somebody assaults an officer and then proceeds to take said officer’s taser and attempts to tase him the force was justified. You know this.

i dont think lethal force is justified when an unarmed suspect is running away and you shoot him in the back

[TSA]

i dont think lethal force is justified when an unarmed suspect is running away and you shoot him in the back

You may not agree with it, and I don’t think he “needed” to be shot, but I wasn’t in that situation and am not going to pretend that cop knew the taser wouldn’t incapacitate him if it landed, therefore the use of force was justified.

“Atlanta Police policy manual, which was most recently updated last week, says that an officer can use deadly force when "He or she reasonably believes that the suspect possesses a deadly weapon or any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury and when he or she reasonably believes that the suspect poses an immediate threat of serious bodily injury to the officer or others."

The Atlanta DA literally called tasers deadly weapons a week ago

“The Taser is designed to be less lethal than a firearm, but it can be fatal in some cir stances. Amnesty International said that more than 500 people have died in the US "after being shocked with a Taser either during their arrest or while in jail," according to a CNN story in 2015.”

“In 2016, a Bibb County sheriff's deputy in Georgia shot and killed a 57-year-old man suspected of shoplifting who pepper-sprayed the officer during a confrontation. Investigators ruled that the shooting was justified, according to The Macon Telegraph.”

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/us/ra...law/index.html

Again, I don’t think the cop needed to go to his firearm but I’m not going to armchair quarterback a tense situation like that and say he’s guilty of murder when his use of force fell under Atlanta’s guidelines. If he’s convicted it’s bull .

[Reck]

of course the forum dunce doesn’t think a taser can “inhibit” someone from defending themselves

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is investigating Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard and his use of a nonprofit to funnel at least $140,000 in city of Atlanta funds to supplement his salary.

"At the request of the Attorney General’s Office, the GBI is conducting a criminal investigation into allegations against DA Paul Howard," GBI spokeswoman Nelly Miles told GPB News.

The allegations stem from reporting by The Atlanta Journal-Cons ution and Channel 2 Action News about discrepancies between financial disclosures Howard filed with the state and tax filings submitted to the IRS by the nonprofit he heads as CEO.

Howard, who has been the DA since 1997, is also facing allegations of sexual abuse and a state ethics complaint, the newspaper reported.

A criminal probe of the prosecutor who heads Georgia’s largest and busiest district attorney’s office is highly unusual. But so was Howard’s decision to use People Partnering for Progress as a conduit to pad his salary by at least $170,000 from 2014 through 2017, according to tax records and the nonprofit’s own do ents.

Howard’s annual salary, paid by the state and supplemented by the county, is roughly $175,000.

https://www.gpbnews.org/post/gbi-lau...lton-county-da

"...with no ammo"

Also never said a taser cannot temporarily disable someone from defending themselves provided it was armed. Learn how to read, got conspira .

[Spurtacular]

im inclined to agree, to the extent that it doesnt change, imo, the officer's state of mind at the moment of the shooting. however, if the charges are based on this conduct, ie kicking him or standing on his shoulder as he's bleeding out and fighting for his life, when they are obligated by policy to provide medical aid... thats a different story

still think its hard to know without having access to the evidence right now

When someone has recklessly jeopardized your life, you may be prone to such an outburst.
Legally and/or civilly there should be ramifications. But it does not make for murder.

[TSA]

"...with no ammo"

Also never said a taser cannot temporarily disable someone from defending themselves provided it was armed. Learn how to read, got conspira .

That taser is always armed forum dunce.

[Reck]

That taser is always armed forum dunce.

I was going off a spurrairder post that pointed otherwise.

But the district attorney said the stun gun that Brooks held had already been fired twice and was thus empty and no longer a threat.

https://www.startribune.com/atlanta-...ing/571317312/

[spurraider21]

You may not agree with it, and I don’t think he “needed” to be shot, but I wasn’t in that situation and am not going to pretend that cop knew the taser wouldn’t incapacitate him if it landed, therefore the use of force was justified.

“Atlanta Police policy manual, which was most recently updated last week, says that an officer can use deadly force when "He or she reasonably believes that the suspect possesses a deadly weapon or any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury and when he or she reasonably believes that the suspect poses an immediate threat of serious bodily injury to the officer or others."

The Atlanta DA literally called tasers deadly weapons a week ago

“The Taser is designed to be less lethal than a firearm, but it can be fatal in some cir stances. Amnesty International said that more than 500 people have died in the US "after being shocked with a Taser either during their arrest or while in jail," according to a CNN story in 2015.”

“In 2016, a Bibb County sheriff's deputy in Georgia shot and killed a 57-year-old man suspected of shoplifting who pepper-sprayed the officer during a confrontation. Investigators ruled that the shooting was justified, according to The Macon Telegraph.”

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/us/ra...law/index.html

Again, I don’t think the cop needed to go to his firearm but I’m not going to armchair quarterback a tense situation like that and say he’s guilty of murder when his use of force fell under Atlanta’s guidelines. If he’s convicted it’s bull .

i tend to give deference in bang-bang situations but they knew he was unarmed (had patted him down) and he was running away, back towards the cop as he was shot. i think thats enough.

if he was shot while they were struggling on the ground and he was reaching for a cop's weapon, i'd have much less issue with what happened

[spurraider21]

That taser is always armed forum dunce.

yes and no

the short range version where you have to jab somebody with it, sure. but the ability to fire it at a distance... you need ammunition for that, and he was out.

[TSA]

I was going off a spurrairder post that pointed otherwise.



https://www.startribune.com/atlanta-...ing/571317312/

That same DA said last week that tasers were a lethal weapon. It doesn’t matter if the taser couldn’t shoot to tase, it still has the capability to tase without the barbs, therefore it’s still armed. You clearly don’t understand use of force application even after being shown Atlanta PD’s use of force guidelines. The cop is Floyd’s case was a piece of who murdered, this cop did not murder anyone.

[Reck]

That same DA said last week that tasers were a lethal weapon. It doesn’t matter if the taser couldn’t shoot to tase, it still has the capability to tase without the barbs, therefore it’s still armed. You clearly don’t understand use of force application even after being shown Atlanta PD’s use of force guidelines. The cop is Floyd’s case was a piece of who murdered, this cop did not murder anyone.

Then we saw a different press conference because he clearly said police always talk about tasers not being a lethal weapon. Now they cant say it is and that's why he fired the shots.

[TSA]

i tend to give deference in bang-bang situations but they knew he was unarmed (had patted him down) and he was running away, back towards the cop as he was shot. i think thats enough.

if he was shot while they were struggling on the ground and he was reaching for a cop's weapon, i'd have much less issue with what happened

are you purposely leaving out what happened in between getting patted down and shot?

[spurraider21]

are you purposely leaving out what happened in between getting patted down and shot?

did you get to the end of my post? there was just a little bit more

[boutons_deux]

unarmed black man running from a cop is capital crime, immediate extrajudicial execution

[TSA]

Then we saw a different press conference because he clearly said police always talk about tasers not being a lethal weapon. Now they cant say it is and that's why he fired the shots.

You literally quoted my post with the DA saying a taser is a deadly weapon under Georgia law you stupid ing dunce

[TSA]

did you get to the end of my post? there was just a little bit more

He won the struggle and got the cops weapon.

[Reck]

You literally quoted my post with the DA saying a taser is a deadly weapon under Georgia law you stupid ing dunce

Why dont you post the entire clip with context instead of a 15 second clip that shows him quoting something midsentence.

I'll wait.

[spurraider21]

He won the struggle and got the cops weapon.

mhm. and like i said, if he was shot during the struggle/assault while going for a cop's weapon, it's a different story.

when he's running away, unarmed with nothing but a direct-contact taser, back to the police, i dont think lethal force is justified

the serious threat of bodily injury or death should be concurrent with the shooting if its going to be justified. there wasn't any imminent threat to the safety of the officers or anybody else while the guy was running away, back turned, at least not to the extent that lethal force was justifiable. just because he created a potentially serious threatening situation at some point doesnt mean you are free to shoot him 10-15 seconds later when the situation has changed

[SnakeBoy]

mhm. and like i said, if he was shot during the struggle/assault while going for a cop's weapon, it's a different story.

Should've shot him sooner lol

[Spurs Homer]

How can a weapon with no ammo strike anyone let alone "inhibit" someone from defending themselves?

I dont know if it has been established that the taser could not be fired anymore - AND that the pursuing officer had absolute knowledge that the taser was incapable of firing -

"no ammo" - does not sound correct IMO

Here is why the officer was justified in shooting his weapon to defend himself.

During training - ALL cops are tased and pepper-sprayed - so that they absolutely KNOW - how it feels and also to prove - to TEACH them a bigger lesson

that a taser and pepper spray can temporarily disable you -

sometimes for a minute - and sometimes longer - and during those moments when you are disabled - the training officer runs in and takes the officers weapon -

when the officer "wakes up" - "returns to life" - he reaches for his weapon (or weapons) and finds that the training officer has taken them and is standing over him and "theoretically" shoots him

this never leaves the officers mind - that he must never allow a suspect to incapacitate him - not for a millisecond - ever -

If you are dealing with a Felony suspect who has just proven that he could overpower TWO officers
and displayed a calm cool collected demeanor - as long as you weren't trying to arrest him

and then turned violent and vicious the SECOND he felt like he was being restrained -

and then took your taser and fired it at you =


then the training kicked in and the officer had to go back to his training and he knew that a taser could incapacitate him just long enough - for the suspect to take a couple of steps towards him - take his gun and kill him.

The suspect was also turning around to shoot the taser - so the cop could have legitimately began his shooting motion while the suspect was turning towards him and by the time he shot - the suspect had turned around - thereby the "shot in the back" which the public immediately considers murderous and/or cowardly.

happens in that split-second - and I guess Mr. Brooks didnt bother to think of that when he assaulted the officers and fired the taser. No one even wants to address Mr. Brooks actions which led to this - just as much as the officers actions.

Sucks that they could not just let him run away

but still does not prove the cop murdered anyone.

[spurraider21]

Should've shot him sooner lol

shooting is only justified if there is a present or imminent threat

if he was a threat at one point in time, that doesn't mean you have some indefinite window where you can still justifiably kill him

[Spurtacular]

shooting is only justified if there is a present or imminent threat

Agreed. This guy really should've avoided assaulting police officers like that. He should've valued his life; but not all do.

[Texas_Ranger]

they should have let him run, perhaps he could have beat some more kids on his way. I hope he at least gets some paintings on buildings, he really was a great guy.

[boutons_deux]

but still does not prove the cop murdered anyone.

shooting and killing an unarmed person running away, posing no threat to the shooter or anyone else, is murder, extrajudicial execution.

the "felonies" the black committed are not capital crimes.

[Texas_Ranger]

shooting and killing an unarmed person running away, posing no threat to the shooter or anyone else, is murder, extrajudicial execution.

the "felonies" the black committed are not capital crimes.

how the do you know that? Did he look like a good boy to you? The mother er just ed up 2 cops, stole their weapon, ohh and he's also a ing criminal.... but yea, he wouldn't do anything stupid. His past actions say he was a good guy and wouldnt hurt a soul.... well, perhaps only some kids, but them. Lets hope he also gets 6 funerals and a big gofund me for his kids, which he loved by beating the out of them.

[koriwhat]

shooting and killing an unarmed person running away, posing no threat to the shooter or anyone else, is murder, extrajudicial execution.

the "felonies" the black committed are not capital crimes.

You clearly love talking out of your ass.

You're so inexperienced talking about a subject as if you're experienced in that field. out of here!

Surveillance footage shows Brooks turning around and pointing that taser as the cops. Yall want to claim in the heat of the moment the cop who shot Brooks knew the taser brooks had was just that a taser, he knew the taser was "spent", and that brooks wouldn't pose a risk by letting him run free after wrestling both cops to the ground, stealing a taser gun, and pointing said taser at the cops. out of here!