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    chumpdump cognitive dissonance.

    Being tough and claiming people are hiding, then saying people need to be hiding and those who aren't are irresponsible.

    He's unsure why this is a problem. Oh well look daily case count
    You hid in your bunker because you were proved wrong on a message board.

    It drove you insane.

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    You hid in your bunker because you were proved wrong on a message board.

    It drove you insane.
    lol and again cog dis

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    lol and again cog dis
    lol and again bunker madness

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    Lol "El gato malo"

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    chumpdump cognitive dissonance.

    Being tough and claiming people are hiding, then saying people need to be hiding and those who aren't are irresponsible.

    He's unsure why this is a problem. Oh well look daily case count
    Lol tholderp's gossip

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    Lol "El gato malo"

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    Anonymous twitter acting like reopening was flicking a switch and the growth rate takes no time at all to accelerate to current levels.

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    Lol "El gato malo"

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    Anonymous twitter acting like reopening was flicking a switch and the growth rate takes no time at all to accelerate to current levels.
    Reopening was a long time ago. The timing of protests makes more sense.

    Or, maybe seeing mass gatherings/protests led to people letting their guard down. Who knows?

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    It's odd how quick some are to dismiss the idea that the protests had anything to do with it.

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    We're like 4 months into this and I see the same people still can't understand exponential growth.

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    Reopening was a long time ago.
    no it wasn't.

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    It's odd how quick some are to dismiss the idea that the protests had anything to do with it.
    Minnesota and Washington state aren't ing like Texas and Florida and California.

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    It's odd how quick some are to dismiss the idea that the protests had anything to do with it.
    There's 100% no doubt that protests have contributed some fraction of the new cases. But even the largest protests in this state, in Austin and in Houston, had about 60k people present, the vast majority with masks, in outdoor daytime settings. On the other hand, you have literally millions of people on a daily basis congregating in groups in indoor settings with a much lower amount of mask usage. Even when you ignore the different contexts of these environments, the orders of scale on what happens in normal society and at protests are just orders of magnitude different.

    But all that being said, if you group 60k people together during a pandemic, it is impossible to avoid spread and I am 100% sure that a portion of the new cases are a direct result of that.

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    Minnesota and Washington state aren't ing like Texas and Florida and California.
    Yeah there's this too.

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    It's odd how quick some are to dismiss the idea that the protests had anything to do with it.
    It's odd how you said being outside is fine before the non-right wingers started protesting outside.

    I'll agree the protests have something to do with it. Many more people went to bars and restaurants than ever protested.

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    It's odd how you said being outside is fine before the non-right wingers started protesting outside.

    I'll agree the protests have something to do with it. Many more people went to bars and restaurants than ever protested.
    Lol you blamed a pandemic on the president

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    Lol you blamed a pandemic on the president
    He contributed to the problem for sure.

    Do you think he made any mistakes, tholdren?

    If yes, what were those mistakes?

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    Many more people went to bars and restaurants than ever protested.
    Exactly. 60k in Houston out of a metro area with 7 million people isn't exactly a huge number. On the other hand, how many people were in indoor dining areas or bars? WAY more than 60k over the past month.

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    There's 100% no doubt that protests have contributed some fraction of the new cases. But even the largest protests in this state, in Austin and in Houston, had about 60k people present, the vast majority with masks, in outdoor daytime settings. On the other hand, you have literally millions of people on a daily basis congregating in groups in indoor settings with a much lower amount of mask usage. Even when you ignore the different contexts of these environments, the orders of scale on what happens in normal society and at protests are just orders of magnitude different.

    But all that being said, if you group 60k people together during a pandemic, it is impossible to avoid spread and I am 100% sure that a portion of the new cases are a direct result of that.
    And so, it's ing stupid to politicize the issue by responding to the second round of closures with "muh protests." This shouldn't be a political issue. This should be a science issue. Why the do we need to acknowledge protests likely caused some spread -- it's like we're at AA introducing ourselves as alcoholics.

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    Exactly. 60k in Houston out of a metro area with 7 million people isn't exactly a huge number. On the other hand, how many people were in indoor dining areas or bars? WAY more than 60k over the past month.
    And so, it's ing stupid to politicize the issue by responding to the second round of closures with "muh protests." This shouldn't be a political issue. This should be a science issue. Why the do we need to acknowledge protests likely caused some spread -- it's like we're at AA introducing ourselves as alcoholics.
    It's pretty simple.

    DarrinS went to bars.

    DarrinS did not go to protests.

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    And so, it's ing stupid to politicize the issue by responding to the second round of closures with "muh protests." This shouldn't be a political issue. This should be a science issue. Why the do we need to acknowledge protests likely caused some spread -- it's like we're at AA introducing ourselves as alcoholics.
    Why are masks political at this point? I honestly don't know what people who politicize this think. The virus isn't just going to go away if you close your eyes and pretend it doesn't' exist, yet one political faction in this country has a leader who is saying exactly that and has people who follow him regardless of predictable outcomes. Honestly, this is no different than other forms of science denial by "conservatives" in this country, but this unlike something like climate change, this time the results of denial are weeks not decades.

    And to what end? I mean with climate change it results in certain people getting rich at the cost of others, but who the benefits from COVID coming roaring back? It's just so ing stupid.

    But anyway, acknowledging that it is a contributor factor at least removes that particular bad faith argument from the table. Don't even have to mention that going to a protest against the state killing people with an out of control police force is pretty different than going to a business to pay for an overpriced drink but yeah.

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    It'd be so much more honest to take the position that all the science shows us that this thing will be with us for a long time, that we simply can't protect everyone to the fullest extent that we'd like, and that we have to make hard decisions and compromise to allow people to make a living. One of the many reasons why this country has failed is because epidemiology is politicized now.

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    It's pretty simple.

    DarrinS went to bars.

    DarrinS did not go to protests.

    And I'm not sick. Just sayin.

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    Why are masks political at this point? I honestly don't know what people who politicize this think. The virus isn't just going to go away if you close your eyes and pretend it doesn't' exist, yet one political faction in this country has a leader who is saying exactly that and has people who follow him regardless of predictable outcomes. Honestly, this is no different than other forms of science denial by "conservatives" in this country, but this unlike something like climate change, this time the results of denial are weeks not decades.

    And to what end? I mean with climate change it results in certain people getting rich at the cost of others, but who the benfits from COVID coming roaring back? It's just so ing stupid.
    I think people confuse being in a democracy and having internet access with being an expert on their topic of choice. As unpopular as this sounds, not everyone should be able to speak or have opinions on everything. Experts are good for a reason.

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