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    Ramp to 225 deaths/day by end July, continuing to escalate to a peak of around 450/day by latter part of August, plateauing there for who knows how long, at least several weeks. ~10k Texans dead by end-August.
    7-15 is 110, ten day moving average 80, with that doubled from where it was when you posted this. Doubling every six days or so, you are on track to be right.

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    Border town es are coming from US citizens/green card holders crossing from Mexico to work in the produce fields or seek better medical care in the US. Same es are happening in California and Arizona border towns.
    Prove it.

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    Why did you reemphasize? I understand that. But it seems it's framed as they are the reason for the es, not the wholesale reopening of these states. So they weren't working the fields in spring, when these towns didn't have any es?

    This is the likely scenario. They were crossing to and fro just the same in April, but since bars and such were shutdown, they were forced to shelter like everyone else. Once we reopened, they got the virus like everyone else who goes to bars, churches, casinos, whatever. To clarify, I'm saying they didn't create the surge, they are simply a part of the surge. They could've contracted the virus from a college kid at a bar. The way the conservative media will certainly spin this is that these towns were controlling their outbreak just fine until the dirty Messicans triggered a surge. I think that's bull . Reopenings triggered the surge.

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    Border town es are coming from US citizens/green card holders crossing from Mexico to work in the produce fields or seek better medical care in the US. Same es are happening in California and Arizona border towns.
    Why would US citizens be coming from Mexico to work in the produce fields

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    Why did you reemphasize? I understand that. But it seems it's framed as they are the reason for the es, not the wholesale reopening of these states. So they weren't working the fields in spring, when these towns didn't have any es?

    This is the likely scenario. They were crossing to and fro just the same in April, but since bars and such were shutdown, they were forced to shelter like everyone else. Once we reopened, they got the virus like everyone else who goes to bars, churches, casinos, whatever. To clarify, I'm saying they didn't create the surge, they are simply a part of the surge. They could've contracted the virus from a college kid at a bar. The way the conservative media will certainly spin this is that these towns were controlling their outbreak just fine until the dirty Messicans triggered a surge. I think that's bull . Reopenings triggered the surge.
    I was strictly speaking to border towns. I'll try and find the heat map I saw of border town cases across California, Arizona, and Texas. Yuma was insane.

    COVID-19 Overwhelms Border ICUs

    Hospital officials say most of the infected patients are U.S. citizens or legal residents who live in, or recently traveled to, Mexico and came to the U.S. for care.

    CHULA VISTA, Calif. — Even as most California hospitals have avoided an incapacitating surge in coronavirus patients, some facilities near the Mexican border have been overwhelmed. They include El Centro Regional Medical Center in Imperial County and Scripps Mercy Hospital Chula Vista in San Diego County, which link the e in COVID-19 patients to their communities’ cross-border lifestyle.

    Some U.S. citizens and legal residents who live in Mexico are crossing the border from Tijuana and Mexicali into the U.S. for treatment. Dr. Juan Tovar, an emergency physician and chief operations executive for Scripps Mercy Hospital Chula Vista, said 48% of COVID-positive patients who visited the emergency room between May 24 and May 30 said they had recently traveled to Mexico. That figure jumped to 60% between May 31 and June 2. The hospital is about 10 miles from the San Ysidro Port of Entry, the busiest land border crossing in the Western Hemisphere.

    Only about 5% of COVID-19 patients reported they’d recently been to Mexico at Scripps’ three other emergency rooms farther north, he said.

    About two hours east, El Centro Regional Medical Center was so overwhelmed by COVID-19 patients it had to divert some to health care facilities in San Diego, National City and elsewhere. There have been more than 2,025 confirmed cases in Imperial County, which has the highest COVID-19 hospitalization rate in the state, said Andrea Bowers, special projects coordinator for the county health department.

    “We know that our community has family on both sides of the border, so we’re relating the uptick to Mother’s Day weekend,” said Suzanne Martinez, assistant chief nursing officer at the medical center. “That means more risk as people travel back and forth over the border.”

    https://khn.org/news/covid-19-overwhelms-border-icus/

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    Why did you reemphasize? I understand that. But it seems it's framed as they are the reason for the es, not the wholesale reopening of these states. So they weren't working the fields in spring, when these towns didn't have any es?

    This is the likely scenario. They were crossing to and fro just the same in April, but since bars and such were shutdown, they were forced to shelter like everyone else. Once we reopened, they got the virus like everyone else who goes to bars, churches, casinos, whatever. To clarify, I'm saying they didn't create the surge, they are simply a part of the surge. They could've contracted the virus from a college kid at a bar. The way the conservative media will certainly spin this is that these towns were controlling their outbreak just fine until the dirty Messicans triggered a surge. I think that's bull . Reopenings triggered the surge.
    Anything to continue to justify Trump's wall rhetoric

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    I was strictly speaking to border towns. I'll try and find the heat map I saw of border town cases across California, Arizona, and Texas. Yuma was insane.

    COVID-19 Overwhelms Border ICUs

    Hospital officials say most of the infected patients are U.S. citizens or legal residents who live in, or recently traveled to, Mexico and came to the U.S. for care.

    CHULA VISTA, Calif. — Even as most California hospitals have avoided an incapacitating surge in coronavirus patients, some facilities near the Mexican border have been overwhelmed. They include El Centro Regional Medical Center in Imperial County and Scripps Mercy Hospital Chula Vista in San Diego County, which link the e in COVID-19 patients to their communities’ cross-border lifestyle.

    Some U.S. citizens and legal residents who live in Mexico are crossing the border from Tijuana and Mexicali into the U.S. for treatment. Dr. Juan Tovar, an emergency physician and chief operations executive for Scripps Mercy Hospital Chula Vista, said 48% of COVID-positive patients who visited the emergency room between May 24 and May 30 said they had recently traveled to Mexico. That figure jumped to 60% between May 31 and June 2. The hospital is about 10 miles from the San Ysidro Port of Entry, the busiest land border crossing in the Western Hemisphere.

    Only about 5% of COVID-19 patients reported they’d recently been to Mexico at Scripps’ three other emergency rooms farther north, he said.

    About two hours east, El Centro Regional Medical Center was so overwhelmed by COVID-19 patients it had to divert some to health care facilities in San Diego, National City and elsewhere. There have been more than 2,025 confirmed cases in Imperial County, which has the highest COVID-19 hospitalization rate in the state, said Andrea Bowers, special projects coordinator for the county health department.

    “We know that our community has family on both sides of the border, so we’re relating the uptick to Mother’s Day weekend,” said Suzanne Martinez, assistant chief nursing officer at the medical center. “That means more risk as people travel back and forth over the border.”

    https://khn.org/news/covid-19-overwhelms-border-icus/
    Lol June 5th.

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    Why did you reemphasize? I understand that. But it seems it's framed as they are the reason for the es, not the wholesale reopening of these states. So they weren't working the fields in spring, when these towns didn't have any es?

    This is the likely scenario. They were crossing to and fro just the same in April, but since bars and such were shutdown, they were forced to shelter like everyone else. Once we reopened, they got the virus like everyone else who goes to bars, churches, casinos, whatever. To clarify, I'm saying they didn't create the surge, they are simply a part of the surge. They could've contracted the virus from a college kid at a bar. The way the conservative media will certainly spin this is that these towns were controlling their outbreak just fine until the dirty Messicans triggered a surge. I think that's bull . Reopenings triggered the surge.


    We're not racist.. but it was the mexicans. :rolleye

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    You find anything on infection rates for high schoolers yet? I want at least 5 scientific papers.

    Then you can tell me it is safe to reopen highschools too.

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    Oh right, California.

    So what do you want to do about it?

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    Oh right, California.

    So what do you want to do about it?
    Seriously, what was lol June 5th about?

    You posted an article about McCallen and I posted info to expand and help explain the situation happening in border towns. Other than shutting travel across the border down there isn’t much to do about it as these are US citizens or green card holders.

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    You find anything on infection rates for high schoolers yet? I want at least 5 scientific papers.

    Then you can tell me it is safe to reopen highschools too.
    I’ve shown you enough and will keep telling you it’s not only safe but necessary to open schools. You’re the one who needs to do more research, I’m not the one living with a terrified wife who refuses to do her job while ignoring science.

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    Seriously, what was lol June 5th about?

    You posted an article about McCallen and I posted info to expand and help explain the situation happening in border towns. Other than shutting travel across the border down there isn’t much to do about it as these are US citizens or green card holders.
    Because we're in July.

    Well, the data points to reopening being the main problem in border towns much moreso than open borders where US citizens go back and forth bringing the covid with them.

    But if we do close the Mexico border then following that logic, we might as well close all interstate travel as well. I'm sure New York doesn't need any Texans rolling through right now.

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    I’ve shown you enough and will keep telling you it’s not only safe but necessary to open schools. You’re the one who needs to do more research, I’m not the one living with a terrified wife who refuses to do her job while ignoring science.
    Lol no you haven't. But if you're good with the flimsy info you've given then that's all that really matters

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    I’ve shown you enough and will keep telling you it’s not only safe but necessary to open schools. You’re the one who needs to do more research, I’m not the one living with a terrified wife who refuses to do her job while ignoring science.
    Amazing how this spreads at daycares and summer camps but being in a school changes everything.

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    Amazing how this spreads at daycares and summer camps but being in a school changes everything.
    BECAUSE SWEDEN

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    As ty as their initial response to COVID was, France had this ready to go in May:



    And their 7 day moving average of new cases started out around 1250 when schools reopened Texas is at almost eight times that with less than half the population.

    I appreciate the arguments for reopening schools but I'm not going to pretend it's gonna be anything but a show here.

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    Because we're in July.

    Well, the data points to reopening being the main problem in border towns much moreso than open borders where US citizens go back and forth bringing the covid with them.

    But if we do close the Mexico border then following that logic, we might as well close all interstate travel as well. I'm sure New York doesn't need any Texans rolling through right now.
    New York already had mandatory quarantine on anyone traveling in from Texas.

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    Lol no you haven't. But if you're good with the flimsy info you've given then that's all that really matters
    flimsy info

    Kids Rarely Transmit Covid-19, Say UVM Docs in Top Journal

    A commentary published in the journal Pediatrics, the official peer-reviewed journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics, concludes that children infrequently transmit Covid-19 to each other or to adults and that many schools, provided they follow appropriate social distancing guidelines and take into account rates of transmission in their community, can and should reopen in the fall.

    The authors, Benjamin Lee, M.D. and William V. Raszka, Jr., M.D., are both pediatric infectious disease specialists on the faculty of the University of Vermont’s Larner College of Medicine. Dr. Raszka is an associate editor of Pediatrics.

    The authors of the commentary, led “COVID-19 Transmission and Children: The Child Is Not to Blame,” base their conclusions on a new study published in the current issue of Pediatrics, “COVID-19 in Children and the Dynamics of Infection in Families,” and four other recent studies that examine Covid-19 transmission by and among children.

    In the new Pediatrics study, Klara M. Posfay-Barbe, M.D., a faculty member at University of Geneva’s medical school, and her colleagues studied the households of 39 Swiss children infected with Covid-19. Contract tracing revealed that in only three (8%) was a child the suspected index case, with symptom onset preceding illness in adult household contacts.

    In a recent study in China, researchers’ contact tracing demonstrated that of the 68 children with Covid-19 admitted to Qingdao Women's and Children's Hospital from January 20 to February 27, 2020, 96% were household contacts of previously infected adults. In another study of Chinese children, nine of 10 children admitted to several provincial hospitals outside Wuhan contracted Covid-19 from an adult, with only one possible child-to-child transmission, based on the timing of disease onset.

    In a French study, a boy with Covid-19 exposed over 80 classmates at three schools to the disease. None contracted it. Transmission of other respiratory diseases, including influenza transmission, was common at the schools.

    In a study in New South Wales, nine infected students and nine staff across 15 schools exposed a total of 735 students and 128 staff to Covid-19. Only two secondary infections resulted, one transmitted by an adult to a child.

    “The data are striking,” said Dr. Raszka. “The key takeaway is that children are not driving the pandemic. After six months, we have a wealth of ac ulating data showing that children are less likely to become infected and seem less infectious; it is congregating adults who aren’t following safety protocols who are responsible for driving the upward curve.”

    Rising cases among adults and children in Texas childcare facilities, which have seen 894 Covid-19 cases among staff members and 441 among children in 883 child care facilities across the state, have the potential to be misinterpreted, Dr. Raszka said. He has not studied the details of the outbreak.

    “There is widespread transmission of Covid-19 in Texas today, with many adults congregating without observing social distancing or wearing masks,” he said. “While we don’t yet know the dynamics of the outbreak, it is unlikely that infants and young children in daycare are driving the surge. Based on the evidence, it’s more plausible that adults are passing the infection to the children in the vast majority of cases.”

    Additional support for the notion that children are not significant vectors of the disease comes from mathematical modeling, the authors say. Models show that community-wide social distancing and widespread adoption of facial cloth coverings are far better strategies for curtailing disease spread, and that closing schools adds little. The fact that schools have reopened in many Western European countries and in Japan without seeing a rise in community transmissions bears out the accuracy of the modeling.

    Reopening schools in a safe manner this fall is important for the healthy development of children, the authors say. “By doing so, we could minimize the potentially profound adverse social, developmental, and health costs that our children will continue to suffer until an effective treatment or vaccine can be developed and distributed, or failing that, until we reach herd immunity,” the paper concludes.

    https://www.uvm.edu/uvmnews/news/kid...cs-top-journal

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    New York already had mandatory quarantine on anyone traveling in from Texas.
    Right but not all fifty states are socially distancing.

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    Rising cases among adults and children in Texas childcare facilities, which have seen 894 Covid-19 cases among staff members and 441 among children in 883 child care facilities across the state, have the potential to be misinterpreted, Dr. Raszka said. He has not studied the details of the outbreak.

    Maybe he should study that outbreak.

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    Rising cases among adults and children in Texas childcare facilities, which have seen 894 Covid-19 cases among staff members and 441 among children in 883 child care facilities across the state, have the potential to be misinterpreted, Dr. Raszka said. He has not studied the details of the outbreak.

    Maybe he should study that outbreak.
    If they just put them at desks and gave them busywork. God damn if Cuomo would have just sent those nursing home patients into schools instead.

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    You find anything on infection rates for high schoolers yet? I want at least 5 scientific papers.

    Then you can tell me it is safe to reopen highschools too.
    You said texas wouldn't have any hospitals left by 7/12/2020


    You need 2 more weeks?

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    Rising cases among adults and children in Texas childcare facilities, which have seen 894 Covid-19 cases among staff members and 441 among children in 883 child care facilities across the state, have the potential to be misinterpreted, Dr. Raszka said. He has not studied the details of the outbreak.

    Maybe he should study that outbreak.
    Lololololol study asymptomatic persons for...... symptoms. Lololoolokl


    Ifr less than flu.

    Show how to compute or you dont know and you are just gossiping.


    Lolooolol

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