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I’m tired of watching Oklahoma get natty shot every year, while we make excuses
Geez, you guys stop with the fire Herman yesterday crap.
He’s the 2nd best coach we’ve had since Royal.
The kids play hard for him. The team competes in every game even when outgunned (usc 1, ou games). Team has won some games it shouldn’t (Utah, sugar bowl, ou ‘18). They’ve pooped the bed against Maryland 2x but fought back unlike Mack’s teams would against OU.
His recruiting has been good not great. Good transition class. Good transfers (Anderson ot, cal running back). 2 top ten classes.
It’s like you’re hoping the team loses so we can fire him.
When it’s time for him to go you will know - strong: ku; macovic:rte 66; Mack:5-7; d mcwms:couldn’t beat aggies, uh blowout in the heat.
I’m tired of watching Oklahoma get natty shot every year, while we make excuses
Tom behind Akers for third place. May be with new assts.Tom can get it done this year. Beat both Okies and you are in good shape. Then they may not play this year.
If Tom does not win this year the hill gets steeper in coming seasons.
Last edited by Eastexhorn; 07-17-2020 at 03:22 PM.
In honesty, I’m not on the fire Herman side. There really aren’t any other coaches right now outside of Saban and Dabo that I feel could get Texas to the level of Bama, Clemson, tOSU, et al..
Not any that are glaringly apparent anyways. Herman was probably as good as Texas could get at the time. The culture in Austin probably wouldn’t have been as easy a place for a guy like Orgeron to find the type of success he has found at LSU. Herman doesn’t seem to be the one that’s going to bring NC’s to Austin but I doubt he sinks the program like Charlie Strong did. My only quip with Herman was allowing Samples to go to SMU. You have to find a way to keep those kinds of recruiting advantages by any means necessary. Was he ready to be a full fledged WR coach at UT? Probably not, but why not give it to him and then have your other assistants hold his hand while he rakes in all the elite talent from the Dallas area schools? Just bc he has the le doesn’t mean he can’t be trained on the job for a few years until he’s ready to run the WR room alone.
Urban would have us right in this thick of things by year 2, maybe even year 1.
maybe 3rd or 4th at this point depending on what the criteria is. For instance, Mackovic won three straight conference championships starting his third year (94,95,96) in two different conferences. Sure, he was an arrogant prick as well and that's ok if you produce; the moment you dont, there might not be as many people on your side as you thought. Nonetheless, he did win some championships and lost to okiehoma only twice. Mack took over a stacked team that seriously under performed in '97
Last edited by soldierhorn; 07-17-2020 at 10:19 PM.
I went to Lamar Jr high and Stacy Akers (Fred’s daughter) was a pretty blonde cheerleader in the grade ahead of me. Somebody wrote “Axe Akers” on her locker.
Funny how people remember him as a good coach.
Akers as a coach, not the worst, however Akers as a recruiter... He was a pompous ass who was a bit racist in that he didn't recruit the inner-city black kids. Things fell apart for him because of cheating by everyone in the SWC. It was a virtual swap meet for players being bought. Finally and most important was the lack of backing by the boosters. Not just lack of backing he had a contingent of boosters that wanted him out so badly they began sabotaging the program to the point of contacting recruits and telling them not to come to Texas.
yeah, he could have had two national championships and I'm not counting the '77 team. ND looked like a semi-pro team back then compared to the Horns. But, it was the absolute right move to put Earl at TB. It's hard to feature a back like Earl (or Leaks, or Holmes, or Ricky, etc) in the wishbone.
Mackovic is another one that opinions will soften as the years go by. Back then, he was called him ovic. Yeah, they won some CCGs with only 8 total season wins but got blown out in decent bowls. His best team ('95) were favored in the sugar bowl and got blown out by a not-so-impressive Virginia Tech team. In '97, people were saying the team quit on him during and after the Rt 66 game, which led to his firing.
I think Herman is better than Mackovic but he needs to start putting some hides on the wall. And, you cant consistently lose to okiehoma and keep your job (he has lost 3 of 4 against 0U) esp if you are not mixing in championships. Mack got away with it twice before it finally caught up with him (among other things). In one of my Longhorn books, then athletic director, Dana X Bible, was asked around 1956 time frame why he fired Cherry and Price. Dana said that they didnt beat oklahoma enough... and, this was after three straight non-winning seasons and only one total win in 1956.
Last edited by soldierhorn; 07-18-2020 at 09:12 PM.
Cherry converted to T formation with Layne at QB
Akers lost a nat. ship by not having a well informed PR.
J. Mac beat Mack in Sun Bowl.
mack done less with more except for Vince.
Tom verdict is still outHope for best.
Everything has fallen in place for this to be the year Texas really takes that big step forward. If Tom Herman is the coach we thought he was when we hired him then he has to show it this year. I'm talking 1 loss max. I hold him that this team is talented enough to win the conference, if we don't it's on the staff.
yep. It's hard to believe now but back in the '70s there was a strong contingent at UT that wanted DKR gone, and ultimately one of the major reasons he quit as AD. But, IMO, this fractured the boosters and they kind of took sides in different camps without a strong athletic director after 1980. Deloss was the new AD and just didnt have the influence to put all the BBs back in the box which left Akers naked so to speak. IMO, Royal saw this happening again in '97 and took charge of the situation behind the scenes and TOLD Deloss what to do; ie, get on the plane and go get Mack Brown chaperoned by billionaire donors (I cant remember if it was the Hicks or Hunt brothers and maybe someone else). Deloss wanted Gary Barnett (who ended up at CU) to replace Mackovic
Fully agree. If you look at the teams that Herman is competing against for top recruits (Riley, Swinney, Saban, Day, & big O) and in a lot of cases losing recruiting battles to, Herman is the one that doesnt have any championships to convince recruits he can take the team and them to the next level. Herman NEEDS this season MORE than any of these other coaches. If the season gets cancelled, it's going to be a long, LONG off season for Herman and the staff. IMO, if he cant show that he can win a championship this fall (even if the season is cancelled), then he needs to let some coaches go that arent recruiting very well. IMO, the RB coach should be one of the best, if not the best, recruiter on the staff.
This is assuming that he gets a mulligan for this season due to extenuating cir stances (CHINESE virus).
Last edited by soldierhorn; 07-18-2020 at 11:39 AM.
agree on all points.
guess what QB had to move to fullback when Bobby got to campus? Tom Landry
yep. and they didnt even have to field the punt and could have ran out the clock. It took a while to get over that game. Had Akers won that game, the '80s likely would have been much different
yeah. it was said that it was THAT game and Mack Brown's demeanor before and after the game that impressed DKR. Ultimately, that is what led DKR to go after Mack Brown in '97
This is true... and, he had to be convinced to recruit Vince (the #1 rated player in the country)
yep. And, he NEEDS this season. Let's hope that it happens and they rise to the challenge
I judge coaches not just buy the win loss record, but how our kids play for them.
Have you ever seen UT teams quit on the field with any of the coaches mentioned?
I have not seen this with Herman. If you have, which game? I think Herman himself has said we did not give our best effort today, but I have not seen the team quit on him.
Also still have Questions about the R. Letio scholarship and our WR with the gun on the roster. I’m not all in.
also I do realize that this unique year has many of the players upset and I’m sure there have been some sort of meetings and discussions, but that’s likely going on in every team in the nation.
Hes gone if we play a full schedule.
I do not think Tom had a team quit on him. Mack maybe in a few games.
No. I have not seen this with a Herman team....yet. OTOH, I think Herman has some Mackovic in him in that he is also an arrogant prick that doesnt relate well with people and doesnt really want to, however, I think Herman knows this which explains his awkward over-the-top pretend wokeness, But, that newly discovered player-power can turn on him in a heartbeat if things dont go right. I hope it doesnt but that is the two-edged sword he chose to play.
Last edited by soldierhorn; 07-18-2020 at 09:21 PM.
I get this as well.
The woke stuff I don’t really understand.
There are all sorts of ways to motivate kids. If they work together for a common goal, I don’t care how we get it done as long as we don’t cheat. In the end, you have to work damn hard, sacrifice for a team (like playing a position that is not your best) and you do this for all the other people on the team. Especially those guys who don’t play, but sweat blood every practice without any fan fare. You think about those guys who work their asses of and never see a down on the field and you will play till you can’t anymore. A coach that gets an ENTIRE team working hard and the starters see how hard the 4 deep guys work because the coaches care... that’s irreplaceable brotherhood. Get that done, and I don’t care about whatever woke means.
I suppose, but it's high risk, hard to watch, and not really mentoring young men
As someone who's job it was for almost thirty years to train young men (including teenagers) and other leaders, there is no way we would pander to any one group. That's a recipe for disaster. Back in the day when the army had green camo uniforms, part of the briefing and counseling was to tell someone new that it doesnt matter where you came from (urban, rural, or even another country) and it doesnt matter what your color is or what you think you are - it doesnt matter - we are ALL GREEN and we are going to accomplish the mission together. Our lives depend on each other doing their job and if you dont get that, then you wont be successful and probably wont be around for long.
Last edited by soldierhorn; 07-19-2020 at 01:27 AM.
Heres hoping Tom sees what it takes to win and does it. Time is runing out on him and me also.
Any one know of any ex Okie QBS in the coaching profesion, Maybe a combo. of J. Mac on offence and Akers or Manley on defence would work.
as a coach you must know when to kick butt and when to lay off.
your job is to get them performing at the best they possibly can.
you do have to make individual decisions about some kids and the best way to motivate them. and that of course is not showing the whole team that you were giving anyone special treatment as far as the difficulty of the task of working your rear off for the next person.
in fact I would argue that throwing some rule breaking intransigent stud off the team might be an incredibly good motivator and lesson because it illustrates that you are all in this together. But at the same time you might’ve talk to him; And explained very clearly the way it was going to go. And of course if you are aware of group dynamics as a coach, you can tell who a bad apple is and how they’re going to spread a divisive message and you stop it immediately.
and of course this is always going to be an incredibly difficult job because some kids might be in severe pain and never show it and others have a low threshold and complain immediately. that’s a very tough balancing act that I’m sure you’re aware of.
in the end because there are so many kids you will make them understand that this is a huge united group effort, even if you don’t win you can gain a enormous sense of satisfaction on how much a group that works together can get done. those kids will never forget that lesson.
working together and accomplishing.
The message of a kid in high school who is growing and seeing so much individual improvement in himself because of what he was willing to put out for the group is invaluable.
sorry if this sounds like communism, but I know this works. And it is a difficult job. Especially if parents are too heavily involved and want to see their baby at quarterback. You even might have to rely on teenagers to teach the adult community the way it’s going to be and to lay off the criticism of coaches. Because the kids trust you, They will your allies in other ways
and the community you coach can make a huge difference in how you address issues. I would argue that communities that contain parents who know “all about football” can be the most difficult. Especially for a new coach without skins on the wall.
and yes times change. you can’t do Bear Bryant camps anymore.
thanks for doing your very difficult job. people have no idea how difficult it is to deal with large groups of teenagers at one time and possibly the community. they watch a pro football game and scream “throw the bomb” when your line cannot physically pass block the opponents , there are literally plays you cannot run and they don’t get it.
sorry for the wall of text to the board, but if we might not have a season, it might be Time to start talking about coaching and the difficulties or whatever subject
Last edited by pgardn; 07-19-2020 at 09:37 AM.
Next subject, how to “find” team leaders
Or whatever...
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