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    Believing what ? 538 is saying that odds are trending towards Trump right now, not Biden.
    I already called that out ahead of time. It always going to trend toward repubs at the end because the sham can't last forever.

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    This basically needs to be Biden in battleground states for the next 2 months:


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    Believing what ? 538 is saying that odds are trending towards Trump right now, not Biden.

    Idk why Trump people hate Fivethirtyeight so much, they were more accurate than any other poll aggregator was in 2016. They gave Trump a 28-29% chance while a lot of the other pollsters were saying Hillary was a <99% favorite to win.
    Caveat being the ty, low quality polls.

    I'm with him in waiting until both conventions finish and actual polling is done.

    There is also a fine line between the protests/turned riots going on. There's been too much of it. That hurts Biden believe it or not.

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    Idk why Trump people hate Fivethirtyeight so much, they were more accurate than any other poll aggregator was in 2016. They gave Trump a 28-29% chance while a lot of the other pollsters were saying Hillary was a <99% favorite to win.
    Silver's a hack. He cherry picked the Obama elections; followed the shenanigans right and made a name for himself. Was funny watching the soy boy sperm shield for Hillary on election night.

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    Caveat being the ty, low quality polls.

    I'm with him in waiting until both conventions finish and actual polling is done.

    There is also a fine line between the protests/turned riots going on. There's been too much of it. That hurts Biden believe it or not.
    Agreed, white empathy for BLM has been trending downwards for awhile now. The rioting has the potential to kill Biden in Wisconsin, but the 17 year old incel who went on a shooting spree yesterday might have changed that.

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    This basically needs to be Biden in battleground states for the next 2 months:

    Didn't think it could get worse than Hillary traveling around in her ambulance. Again though; it's the COVID playbook.
    Biden's going to sit this one out.

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    I don't see why Bidet has the option to either stay in the freezer or hold big rallies. Showing up in battleground states is just as much about local media coverage than it is about people physically attending. Go to manufacturing plants or whatever dumb local "muh jobs" Trump has ed up all give a stump speech to 30 fatnecks socially distanced. Not that hard.
    Yeah he should have already held a rally at the Goodyear plant.

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    I'm curious, to all the Biden primary supporters, what is your view going to be if Biden s this up and loses?

    Will you still be of the mindset that nominating whoever is deemed "electable" in 2024 will be most important, or will you actually want a candidate who energizes the base but is further to the left?

    Reck ChumpDumper

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    I'm curious, to all the Biden primary supporters, what is your view going to be if Biden s this up and loses?

    Will you still be of the mindset that nominating whoever is deemed "electable" in 2024 will be most important, or will you actually want a candidate who energizes the base but is further to the left?

    Reck ChumpDumper
    Why do you assume I'm a Biden supporter to begin with? Let alone primary voter.

    I dont vote in primaries here. Even less so this year.

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    Why do you assume I'm a Biden supporter to begin with? Let alone primary voter.

    I dont vote in primaries here. Even less so this year.
    Fine if you want to play that game.

    Ignoring whoever you supported in the 2020 primary, if Jim Crow Joe flubs this election, will you want another establishment Dem of the Biden/Hillary ilk in 2024, or a more progressive candidate who excites the base?

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    a candidate who energizes the base but is further to the left?

    To answer your question though, I was ready to support whoever won the nomination. I made my peace with Bernie around Nevada and was willing to get behind him.

    Other than that, I dont know what precise answer you are looking for here. You have to be able to win primaries to be viable.

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    I assume you're being fic ious.
    I assume you don't know what you're talking about


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    Fine if you want to play that game.

    Ignoring whoever you supported in the 2020 primary, if Jim Crow Joe flubs this election, will you want another establishment Dem of the Biden/Hillary ilk in 2024, or a more progressive candidate who excites the base?
    does the "energize the base" meme lose some luster when you got smacked in the primaries?

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    no kidding, and those aren't even considered the catastrophe only plans
    nope it's a silver plan

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    Fine if you want to play that game.

    Ignoring whoever you supported in the 2020 primary, if Jim Crow Joe flubs this election, will you want another establishment Dem of the Biden/Hillary ilk in 2024, or a more progressive candidate who excites the base?
    And how are you so sure there is a "next?"

    There is no next if Trump wins another 4 years. This country can go in several directions, none of which are good.

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    does the "energize the base" meme lose some luster when you got smacked in the primaries?
    I'd like to just see a primary process where there's no favoritism and there isn't constant bull on CNN/MSNBC about who is and isn't "electable" since the pundits clearly don't have the slightest ing idea who's electable. If they did we wouldn't have John Kerry and Hillary Clinton as nominees.

    I know it sounds crazy but if you just let the voters pick the candidate they like the most and impartially cover each candidate without biased media coverage telling them X candidate or Y candidate is more "electable", you'll end up with the candidate who the base likes the most.

    Biden would have been dead in the water after New Hampshire if not for the media welfare that propped him back up.

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    And how are you so sure there is a "next?"

    There is no next if Trump wins another 4 years. This country can go in several directions, none of which are good.
    And even though that's the case, the Dems decided to put America's hopes on a guy who's so old he can't even travel to swing states to hold a 20 person town hall.

    The issue with Biden is that when he isn't getting propped up by the DNC and the media, he was a ty candidate, both in 1988 and 2008. His campaign died before it ever got started. No one liked him until MSNBC started comparing his (Jewish) opponent to Hitler and saying that Bernie winning was comparable to Nazi Germany taking over France. When people are left to their own devices to make their own opinion about Biden without interference from Claire McCaskill telling them he's really electable because he hates free healthcare, they find him to be mediocre and uninspiring.

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    I'm curious, to all the Biden primary supporters, what is your view going to be if Biden s this up and loses?

    Will you still be of the mindset that nominating whoever is deemed "electable" in 2024 will be most important, or will you actually want a candidate who energizes the base but is further to the left?

    Reck ChumpDumper
    It would be great if that was the same candidate. I'm not sure the electoral college system will allow that. We're fighting over a few counties in five states.

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    It would be great if that was the same candidate. I'm not sure the electoral college system will allow that. We're fighting over a few counties in five states.
    Counties that establishment candidates outside of Obama (who ran a lot more progressive than your typical establishment candidate) have horrible track records in.

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    Counties that establishment candidates outside of Obama (who ran a lot more progressive than your typical establishment candidate) have horrible track records in.
    Whatever works. I'm not the guy you have to convince to vote Democrat.

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    The one thing Obama did actually do was show up and campaign in the counties and states he needed to win.

    Why is it so hard for le smoke filled room to select a candidate capable of traveling to Wisconsin?

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    Whatever works. I'm not the guy you have to convince to vote Democrat.
    You're the guy I need to convince to vote differently in primaries though.

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    You're the guy I need to convince to vote differently in primaries though.
    It was a foregone conclusion by the time it got to Texas. I will certainly vote for a Social Democrat who calls him/herself a Social Democrat and not a Democratic Socialist, for example.

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    It was a foregone conclusion by the time it got to Texas. I will certainly vote for a Social Democrat who calls him/herself a Social Democrat and not a Democratic Socialist, for example.
    Fair enough, but Texas voted on Super Tuesday. I don’t see how it was a foregone conclusion by then.

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    And even though that's the case, the Dems decided to put America's hopes on a guy who's so old he can't even travel to swing states to hold a 20 person town hall.

    The issue with Biden is that when he isn't getting propped up by the DNC and the media, he was a ty candidate, both in 1988 and 2008. His campaign died before it ever got started. No one liked him until MSNBC started comparing his (Jewish) opponent to Hitler and saying that Bernie winning was comparable to Nazi Germany taking over France. When people are left to their own devices to make their own opinion about Biden without interference from Claire McCaskill telling them he's really electable because he hates free healthcare, they find him to be mediocre and uninspiring.
    That will still happen regardless with the media though.

    Trump got more media coverage than all of his oponents combined in 2016. That includes with Bernie and Hillary.

    But to your larger point about massa Clyburn and his endorsement. It's not like the first 3 states didn't heavily favored Bernie and handicapped Biden twofold. Iowa and New Hampshire being extraordinarily white and also have the voting being done in a caucus in 2 of the 3. Those are two Bernie strength.

    All this being prop up talk looks silly when you take that into account. The primary schedule sure didn't help Biden at all.

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