Don’t be obtuse. YOU don’t believe his game will transfer. That where we disagree.
So what? In your world, all euro prospects should go top 10? Like, "let's not even look at how mediocre Leandro Bolmaro looks in some aspects, he should go 5th in the draft. Because GMs view euro prospects so poorly all the time! Look at this best case scenario where it happens to one player every year!" Are you ignoring all the bad euro prospects and only looking at the good examples?
So are you acknowledging the second part of my post?
You're still living in the past if you think GMs haven't adjusted how they draft euro prospects now. And if you bring up an example where player X was drafted late in 2018 or whatever, maybe just maybe he wasn't drafted late because he was a Euro? Maybe it was something else?
Poku is that one player this year, and I never said, nor do I agree with any of the other hysterical garbage in your post.
Bolmara has never been projected as anything other than a second rounder.
I do admit that I was being a bit obtuse. But I also don't think his game is as good as folks are making it seem, let alone that it might not transfer completely. Regardless, if for some reason his game does transfer, then him gaining the weight isn't nearly as important since he'll be able to play down positions to avoid the weight issues. Even if it's not ideal, he'd certainly be able to play NBA minutes from jump street if he actually has an NBA-caliber floor game. None of those other skinny guys you bring up as comps had to stay overseas or in the d-league while they bulked up.
"Poku is that one player this year". Is this coming from your expert opinion? That's not a hysterical garbage claim at all...
I see. So because Poku has been projected mid-late first, combine THAT with your expert research and scouting, then he's definitely a player that should be a top 10 pick in this draft because these other GMs just have a euro bias and they don't know what they're doing.
Basically, I think that there are two paths Poke has to coming over and succeeding. The first is that he comes over as a tall perimeter player who can already hang in terms of skills but won't be nearly as effective he's going to be due to weight issues. He'll be frustrating to watch but he'll also flash, sort of like rookie Murray but slanted more toward offense and less toward D. The other way will be that he comes over and basically bombs out as a perimeter player and has to take years to learn how to be a more traditional big, including bulking up and honing his rebounding and rim-protection skills. Eventually he starts being able to stick around as a lower-level rotation player who flashes perimeter skills every once in a while, kinda like Joff did. This second path might not be one he takes in the NBA but has to go back to Europe for like with Jan Vesely.
All the players in the history of the NBA draft needed, need and will need that.
Gobert spent a bit of time in the gleague, played 45 games (0 starts) in the NBA, and averaged like 3p/4R/1bl as a rook. He didn’t exactly light the world on fire, and didn’t score in double digits until year 4.
Jokic is more of a mystery, as to why he slipped into the second round. He was pretty productive right off the bat, and certainly didn’t need to put on weight. He does, however, speak to my point of GMs passing on, and flat missing talent. He did, however, stay in Europe for a year.
Not really. There are plenty of players whose games don't really transfer but who find themselves making new games in the NBA. Most role-players in the NBA were stars at lower levels but didn't have good enough star games for them to have that role in the NBA. For Poke, the amount of weight he needs to gain is related to how many of his perimeter skills transfer over.All the players in the history of the NBA draft needed, need and will need that.
No, I read and respect Tankathon, and they have him at 10 on their big board. They kinda think so, too.
You may not want to peruse the tankathon BB to see where they have The Precious...
I think we all agree that Jokic should've been drafted higher. But he had red flags that led to him dropping, his weight being one of them. From what I recall, scouts thought he didn't care about the game. When Denver drafted him, they were able to talk some sense into him and get him on a program to "fix" his body. Had that not happened, he'd've been another Ryan Richards who pissed away his talent because he didn't want it badly enough.
Gobert had no perimeter skills, so he needed to bulk up more to play the five. If Poke is seriously good enough to play as a forward, he'll be able to survive on the perimeter even while skinny.
Oh, ok. I see what you mean now. You are saying that if his skills don't translate he won't be able to modify his game and a adapt to a new role. He would never be a 3 and D type player. I can agree with that. Although, he's so good at so many different things that I think he could have niche somewhere, even if his projected "Swiss-army knife, playmaking unicorn" role doesn't really come through in the NBA.
Do you realize how wrong tankathon was last year and the previous year? Now we're getting to the root of your logic...
It's not necessarily that. It's that if those perimeter skills don't pan out, then he'll need to gain more weight and develop different skills to stick as a role-player. At 225, I think he could make it as a point-forward, especially if he can score at will and play passing lanes. But if he has to be a center who just flashes, then he'll need to be heavier. It's like the difference between adjusting to the NBA and forcing the NBA to adjust to you, if that makes more sense. He's 18. Him not being able to be a perimeter player in the NBA wouldn't ruin his career.
Hey guys, let's blindly follow this website's list where it has zero description of how the list was made (no methodology or anything) and who was behind it. Talk about a leap of faith...
I know, I just threw "3 and D" as an example. The dude is so talented that I think he will stick in the NBA even if just as a 10th guy off the bench to throw a different look here and there. Andrea Bargnani was never the superstar many projected him to he, but he still stuck around as a playabale guy for about 10 years. And this kid is a lot more talented as a prospect. Trully, the main thing to see here is if he's able to get to the NBA and don't be thrown around like a rag doll.
Tankathon and The Stepien have been valid currency on this board for more than a few years. Don’t get butthurt because they have your guy at #38 on their big board. Take heart, they have Sacto reaching for him at #12. He’ll get his chance to show his quality.
You're still ignoring how wrong they have been, giving no justification to why they should be used as the bible draft resource. Tankathon and The Stepien has only been around for two years, so not sure why you're saying "more than a few years". Precious is not "my guy" and I've said as such by saying I'm not attached to any players here.
With all the I give DAF86 at least he considers it a possibility that Poku could be a 10th man. And at least he says he pulls his info from watching (true or not) than just saying he's pulling from a website. At least try to bull me here instead of saying all your eggs are in this basket called tankathon. (And I like tankathon)
This is getting depressing, with the Spurs drafting in the lottery in over 20 years with 3 position of needs and we could not even find one player where everyone is looking forward to be drafted. Seems like praying for KJ to grow 2 to 3 inches might be the more likely way of solving one of our positional needs.
The fact that it's a weak draft at the top combined with Covid canceling lots of games has resulted in a situation where's there's not too much data on these prospects. That doesn't mean there's no one interesting. Spurs don't have a TD/Manu/Parker/Kawhi type franchise talent on the roster right now so the draft needs are not as obvious. Next year's draft should be much better with all the extra high school prospects. It would probably be in the Spurs best interest to trade LMA/Derozan for more draft capital. Hand the team over to the youngsters.
How about this? I admit the possibility that Poku could be less than a 10th man, a complete bust. He’s a high ceiling, low floor player. If he were high ceiling, high floor, he’d be a top 3 pick. There would be no risk. And why is some random persons internet video better than an actual draft site that analyzes 100 players?
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