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Do you happen to know how many people died in 2017, just of heart disease and cancer?
Did those deaths phase you?
KarrinS the COVID minimizer.
Always minimizing, no matter the tally or the caseload. Totally indifferent to the magnitude of death, morbidity and suffering in this country.
Half a WWII's worth of death in a little over half a year doesn't phase him.
Do you happen to know how many people died in 2017, just of heart disease and cancer?
Did those deaths phase you?
It was over 1M, just so you know.
Comparisons good now.
You can't give your mother heart disease or cancer.
COVID-19 is the third leading cause of death in the USA now, behind heart disease and cancer.
There have been a number of studies now linking low humidity to helping the spread. Basically in low humidity the droplets get smaller/lighter and linger in the air longer. Hot/cold weather keep people indoors with ac/heat on, both of which lower humidity.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0820102503.htm
We should see if the theory holds water soon. As the south & west move into pleasant weather and the north/northeast get cold again.
this is very interesting I would have thought the opposite.
but it does make sense. these climate scientists who specialize in the size of water droplets and other particulates are becoming very important now. benefits of basic science.
The way droplets move in still air versus moving air is also important. I read one study that said moving air the droplets basically go right around objects. still air you have more of a chance of breathing it in.
again it is the contagiousness of this virus that makes it worrisome.
if more people get it, then more people are likely to die from it, it’s quite simple.
this is why I posed the math question to the foldern and he folded.
if everyone in the world gets it and 0.1% die from it, this is not a good thing.
if a virus is spread very selectively less people get it and more people may die from it but in totality because it is selective it kills fewer people. I don’t see why people can’t get this.
and this is not even taking into account the people that survive but have very debilitating symptoms. this is just not in the USA it’s everywhere, except Antarctica. Wait until India’s stats come in I have a feeling it’s going to be awful. They have more ability to move about than the Chinese who adhere to rules very well.
So you're saying the butt ing San Antonio got in June and July while humidity was through the roof is nothing compared to what this fall and winter will be like? Ouch.
Correct. Many people do not understand vaccines. It takes a deep understanding of immunology, protein structure and sequence, genetics, virology, epidemiology, and host cell replication. I know some on the subjects, but I won't dare claim to know everything or be an expert unlike many in here. Again, if some have actually gotten the virus twice, that suggests either a failure to develop immunity or enough of a change in antigen representation to get by a second time.
I feel it is very reasonable to question the idea of rushing to take a vaccine for a virus with these characteristics and with such a low death rate.
I don't understand why so many in here get upset by questioning this. At the end of the day we all depend on our personal knowledge which does not take us very far and then we look to medical professionals, media, or worse political positioning. The fundamental difference in here is how much people trust the resources on the internet and which ones. There are plenty of conflicting views in the medical profession to warrant questioning things like this (either way).
I am not anti-vaccine. I just don't think it is wise to play with our systems for viruses that are not much of a threat. I realize that many in here consider it a catastrophic threat, but I politely disagree. I choose not to trust our president, our politicians, the WHO, the CDC, and especially mainstream media. My own physician, whom I respect and trust, does not agree with the masks and social distancing as well as many other physicians I know nor are they chomping at the bit to get a vaccine for it.
I realize that there is disagreement with this, which is at least reason enough to question all sides in the matter. There are many disagreements in the medical field, so what makes us so confident to know what side to be on.
Never had the flu vaccine and have not had the flu in at least 30 years if ever. I appreciate the fact that you feel you are protecting others by getting it, however I am not certain I follow the logic. Your position is that while you may either be immune to the flu or simply never exposed, by having had the vaccine you are protecting others by not being a carrier? It would be nice to know how you come to that conclusion (in your own words please).
Dude, we can open Darrin's bar for that two weeks of good fall weather coming up!
No. They are saying that hot/cold weather keeps people indoors more where they keep the windows closed and run their AC or heat which keeps the humidity low and accelerates transmission. So if that theory is correct we should see cases reduce here and an increase in cases in colder climate states & Europe. It would explain why the Northeast got ed at the beginning of the year and we didn't, even though we had community spread in January but it never took off until it got hot.
If it's true then we should start seeing outbreaks shift regions over the next month or two.
it got off the ground when Darrin's bar opened.
Does AC really bring down humidity that hugely? Maybe late at night I guess when our summer dewpoints can get in the mid to high 70s, but is any AC dropping humidity from daytime dewpoints in the 60s enough to beat out fall when our daytime dewpoints are in the 50s or winter when they can be in the 30s and 40s?
Last edited by baseline bum; 09-02-2020 at 03:37 PM.
Yeah that's a good question. The study I linked, which is a study of studies, said "relative humidity of 40 to 60 percent could reduce the spread". I don't think my ac is ever getting humidity below 40% in the summer.
Maybe all these studies should have a little disclaimer saying: Don't ask too many questions, We got paid.
by far the highest probability is that I have very mild symptoms for the flu virus.
so I get the vaccine because I am most likely a carrier and because it’s just not that difficult. I don’t fear vaccines like others because I’ve gotten vaccines for getting into school etc. as a youngster and never had a problem.
there are clearly people who react badly to vaccines and they know this because they have been vaccinated. my take is you have an anti-VAX stand.
If you went to public school in the US you have a high probability of already being vaccinated. People go in for tetanus vaccines all the time for boosters. People willingly vaccinate their precious pets. Then they claim they refuse to get vaccinated because they are putting into their body which they have already done before and done to their pets.
seems extraordinarily insincere or highly paranoid.
What is it about the flu vaccine that scares you? I mean what do you think might happen to you if you get it?
Antibodies might follow you around... serious stuff.
I would rather develop an immunity naturally and I really don’t care to take the vaccine (possibly get sick like some do anyway) and then still have a chance to contract other strains. I feel most vaccines are well intended and beneficial, but the flu just isn’t enough of a threat to me to consider.
what seems to bother me the most is the relentless recommendation to get it by government officials. I’m sorry, but I don’t feel like the government cares that much about our well being. I also don’t understand why decisions like mine are so bothersome and/or offensive to others
I actually dont care a bit as long as I know you will not pass it on to someone else.
There are people who cannot take the vaccine who might be extraordinarily vulnerable to the flu as well.
As far as the government and your vs. the people's best interest, thats a whole other topic.
And then flat out believing the government does not have the rights and best interest of the individual AND the whole of society.... another discussion again.
If the sentence above is true, then personally, I would leave the country. And do work on the outside to re enter it. A revolution is in order.
Try developing natural immunity to polio.
Tell us how that goes.
My experience is that AC does indeed decrease the humidity but more so in the summer. Colder air cant hold as much water as warm air in general although you can get dry warm fronts and wet cold fronts depending if they come off the middle of a continent or off the ocean. And how much water they gain or lose as they move.
Thats why very dry cold fronts we expect to come in the fall are incredibly welcome. In Colorado, the humidity gets so low at al ude and cold air that its clearly time for lip balms. I never need this in San Antonio.
Also static electricity is a of a lot of fun to play with when a cold front comes through.
Wax up the car, drive really fast for a while through the dry air, stop at a gate that requires you press metal buttons, and zap. Much better than socks on a rug.
Turning the lights off with a polymer type sheet after it has been through the dryer is really neat to watch all the little blue sparks zapping around on a dry night.
The wife and I do it regularly during cold fronts.
I don’t recall stating the polio vaccine is not beneficial.
It wont necessarily kill you and many people fully recover.
Same with covid.
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