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    I think my link is to the same study as Darrin's.

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    I got my mom on the 2000 IU of vitamin D back in April.

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    They used it because it ramps up vitamin D fast. The ones you get over the counter take days.
    No, they use it because the claim is that Vitamin D receptors helps with ARDS, a claim that predates COVID. The paper also claims a reduction in ICU visits, but nothing 'avoidiong severe covid-19 symptoms'.

    The notion that the entire field of science passed on this miraculous treatment and are still waiting for an effective one is frankly fairly ridiculous. Heck, the patients on that study were also receiving hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin and antibiotics.

    Sure, having a Vitamin D deficit is generally bad, even if you don't have COVID. That has nothing to do with over the counter Vitamin D being an effective treatment to COVID.

    Calcifediol has side effects that Vitamin D doesn't have either, like reduction of red blood cells, anemia, etc...

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    These were hospitalized patients.

    2% of those receiving vitamin D went on to ICU (1 of 50), vs 50% of placebo

    Zero on vitamin D died. 2 of 13 died in placebo group that went to ICU.
    I read the whole paper. Read my previous post.

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    I got my mom on the 2000 IU of vitamin D back in April.
    Speaking of moms, mine used to give me this disgusting plain cod liver oil (fish oil, vitamin A and D for immunity against colds/flu) when I was young. Of course, I don't think it's disgusting when I gave my kids cod liver oil (now it's lemon or orange flavored but still disgusting compared to just fish oil).

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    https://medium.com/@shinjieyong/the-...9-906a9d907468

    Has there been enough time for studies/proof? Isn't it just common sense that aspirin helps to thin the blood and might help with clotting? And isn't:

    Vitamin D can modulate the innate and adaptive immune responses. Deficiency in vitamin D is associated with increased autoimmunity as well as an increased susceptibility to infection.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...to%20infection.
    2012 paper. Claiming this proves Vitamin D is an effective treatment to COVID is disingenuous at best.

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    ElNono - if you are such a great believer in taking only what has been proven by randomized, double-blinded studies - go right ahead - don't take anything that might possibly help.

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    As to your question about 'enough time for studies/proof'? No we have not. AFAIK, that study Darrin posted is the only Vitamin-D/COVID paper available and has a sample of 76 patients, which by any standard is low.

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    Speaking of moms, mine used to give me this disgusting plain cod liver oil (fish oil, vitamin A and D for immunity against colds/flu) when I was young. Of course, I don't think it's disgusting when I gave my kids cod liver oil (now it's lemon or orange flavored but still disgusting compared to just fish oil).
    Probably a very good reason mom's gave that. My mom has lived through multiple pandemics.

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    As to your question about 'enough time for studies/proof'? No we have not. AFAIK, that study Darrin posted is the only Vitamin-D/COVID paper available and has a sample of 76 patients, which by any standard is low.
    Admittedly, a low sample size.

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    2012 paper. Claiming this proves Vitamin D is an effective treatment to COVID is disingenuous at best.
    Where do you see 2012 paper? I see:

    The First Clinical Trial to Support Vitamin D Therapy For Covid-19
    Oral calcifediol, the main metabolite of vitamin D3, reduced ICU admission from 50% to 2% among Covid-19 patients.
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    A study from Spain finally presents the first clinical evidence for the use of vitamin D to treat Covid-19. The study, “Effect of Calcifediol Treatment and best Available Therapy versus best Available Therapy on Intensive Care Unit Admission and Mortality Among Patients Hospitalized for COVID-19: A Pilot Randomized Clinical study,” was published in The Journal of Steroid Biochemistry and Molecular Biology on 29 August. It’s called a pilot because the sample size is still small, but its randomization and prospective design still make it a robust research.

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    ElNono - if you are such a great believer in taking only what has been proven by randomized, double-blinded studies - go right ahead - don't take anything that might possibly help.
    Ignorance can cause deaths too, you have to look no further than the POTUS on that. I'm doing a public service.

    Clearly nobody in their sane mind will ask for medical advice (or should) from pseudo doctors Darrin or rmt when it comes to COVID.

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    Where do you see 2012 paper? I see:

    The First Clinical Trial to Support Vitamin D Therapy For Covid-19
    Oral calcifediol, the main metabolite of vitamin D3, reduced ICU admission from 50% to 2% among Covid-19 patients.
    Shin Jie Yong
    2 days ago·6 min read

    A study from Spain finally presents the first clinical evidence for the use of vitamin D to treat Covid-19. The study, “Effect of Calcifediol Treatment and best Available Therapy versus best Available Therapy on Intensive Care Unit Admission and Mortality Among Patients Hospitalized for COVID-19: A Pilot Randomized Clinical study,” was published in The Journal of Steroid Biochemistry and Molecular Biology on 29 August. It’s called a pilot because the sample size is still small, but its randomization and prospective design still make it a robust research.
    Your second link:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...to%20infection

    The first link is the study Darrin posted.

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    Ignorance can cause deaths too, you have to look no further than the POTUS on that. I'm doing a public service.

    Clearly nobody in their sane mind will ask for medical advice (or should) from pseudo doctors Darrin or rmt when it comes to COVID.


    Don't take vitamin D then. Jeez

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    Oh, I see. The vitamin D and the Immune System is the 2012 paper. I think that's pretty standard accepted "fact" that Vitamin D is very important to the immune system.

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    And as I always point out, I'm not against/have no horse in that race/etc that Calcifediol can be used alongside other effective treatments to defeat COVID.

    However, asserting that an over the counter Vitamin D treatment can prevent you from suffering severe COVID-19 symptoms is entirely unfounded at this point.

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    Don't take vitamin D then. Jeez
    I've taken Vitamin D when I was Vitamin D deficient. Nothing to do with COVID.

    You understand the point I make: spreading falsehoods about snake oil treatments make people incorrectly confident. That's a mistake.

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    Oh, I see. The vitamin D and the Immune System is the 2012 paper. I think that's pretty standard accepted "fact" that Vitamin D is very important to the immune system.
    Yeah, it also has nothing to do with COVID. Couldn't possibly make a claim about COVID since COVID wasn't discovered then.

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    And as I always point out, I'm not against/have no horse in that race/etc that Calcifediol can be used alongside other effective treatments to defeat COVID.

    However, asserting that an over the counter Vitamin D treatment can prevent you from suffering severe COVID-19 symptoms is entirely unfounded at this point.

    Is vitamin D the new hydoxychloroquine?

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    Is vitamin D the new hydoxychloroquine?
    I don't think it's been scrutinized as much, so I would say, not at this time.

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    I've taken Vitamin D when I was Vitamin D deficient. Nothing to do with COVID.

    You understand the point I make: spreading falsehoods about snake oil treatments make people incorrectly confident. That's a mistake.
    Don't take it then. I'm definitely taking it and have advised all family members to take it since April.

    It doesn't hurt my feelings, if you think it's "snake oil".

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    Probably a very good reason mom's gave that. My mom has lived through multiple pandemics.
    This ain't the flu and she hasn't lived through it yet.

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    Don't take it then. I'm definitely taking it and have advised all family members to take it since April.

    It doesn't hurt my feelings, if you think it's "snake oil".
    You're not going to OD on it, or kill yourself, that's a step forward from pushing hydoxychloroquine, tbh...

    But hopefully people in da zip code don't think they can just drop the masks and stop social distancing because muh miraculous D Vitamin...

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    I lived through multiple pandemics... like H1N1 and Ebola, etc... means absolutely nothing when those pandemics didn't really had neither the scale or effect of this one in the US.

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    That 2012 link was just to show how important vitamin D is to autoimmunity and infections.

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