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    This is so funny - the difference in both sides. One wonders how anything was ever thought of, explored, tried, invented before it became mainstream.
    You don't have to wonder. It's actually fairly well do ented, if you care to look.

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    Me too. If people don't want to take cheap vitamins to prevent death, that's their business.
    Except that paper doesn't make any such claims, that's entirely your claim. That's what I'm pointing out.

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    IOW, vitamin D is somehow the new hydrochlor whatever. It hadn't been proven to help but it didn't hurt - my at ude (at that early time) was - I'd try it since there wasn't anything else and some docs in Italy or wherever were having anecdotal success.

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    Even in the article boutons posted

    "Interestingly, Jacobson’s team also suggests vitamin D as a potentially useful Covid-19 drug. The vitamin is involved in the RAS system and could prove helpful by reducing levels of another compound, known as REN. Again, this could stop potentially deadly bradykinin storms from forming"


    https://elemental.medium.com/a-super...d-31cb8eba9d63

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    IOW, vitamin D is somehow the new hydrochlor whatever. It hadn't been proven to help but it didn't hurt - my at ude (at that early time) was - I'd try it since there wasn't anything else and some docs in Italy or wherever were having anecdotal success.
    We touched on this earlier. The study doesn't mention over the counter Vitamin D, but Calcifediol, which is a prescription medicine.

    And as I said earlier, I wouldn't put it at the same level as 'hydrochlor whatever' since 'hydrochlor whatever' has been much more extensively studied against COVID.

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    Even in the article boutons posted

    "Interestingly, Jacobson’s team also suggests vitamin D as a potentially useful Covid-19 drug. The vitamin is involved in the RAS system and could prove helpful by reducing levels of another compound, known as REN. Again, this could stop potentially deadly bradykinin storms from forming"

    https://elemental.medium.com/a-super...d-31cb8eba9d63
    That quote is the same quote your YouTube doctor was going over. Surprised you didn't notice, tbh. And, again, 'potential' and proven are two different things.

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    We touched on this earlier. The study doesn't mention over the counter Vitamin D, but Calcifediol, which is a prescription medicine.
    No difference, except Calcifediol raises D levels faster.

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    The NIH suggests you read their articles that are peer reviewed and studied, to verify claims by this guy.
    Doctors are NOT researchers, in fact they send in some of the sloppiest studies that are continuously sent back to them for redos, especially with cancer.
    Sleep study expert, cardiovascular expert pulmonary expert, expert in all fields until he decided to increase the viewership on his arcane medical student self help vids once Covid came around. Pass...



    Roger Seheult, a California pulmonologist, produces MedCram, an eight-year old YouTube page that, before January, posted mostly arcane lectures for medical students. Then Seheult turned to the coronavirus, posting dozens of dispatches on the outbreak. Traffic exploded. One of his most popular videos, with over a million views, is a seventeen-minute clip from March 10 in which he says he is “cautiously optimistic” about hydroxychloroquine, a malaria drug U.S. President Donald Trump has suggested as a coronavirus treatment, with mixed to lacking scientific support.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/youtu...FOo1gdJmlXL05m

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    That quote is the same quote your YouTube doctor was going over. Surprised you didn't notice, tbh. And, again, 'potential' and proven are two different things.
    Find my quote where I said "proven". There's tons of anecdotal evidence. Not just for covid19, but for respiratory distress in general.

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    The NIH suggests you read their articles that are peer reviewed and studied, to verify claims by this guy.
    Doctors are NOT researchers, in fact they send in some of the sloppiest studies that are continuously sent back to them for redos, especially with cancer.
    Sleep study expert, cardiovascular expert pulmonary expert, expert in all fields until he decided to increase the viewership on his arcane medical student self help vids once Covid came around. Pass...



    Roger Seheult, a California pulmonologist, produces MedCram, an eight-year old YouTube page that, before January, posted mostly arcane lectures for medical students. Then Seheult turned to the coronavirus, posting dozens of dispatches on the outbreak. Traffic exploded. One of his most popular videos, with over a million views, is a seventeen-minute clip from March 10 in which he says he is “cautiously optimistic” about hydroxychloroquine, a malaria drug U.S. President Donald Trump has suggested as a coronavirus treatment, with mixed to lacking scientific support.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/youtu...FOo1gdJmlXL05m
    He treats covid-19 patients. Do you?

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    No difference, except Calcifediol raises D levels faster.
    Of course it's different, that's why Calcifediol is a prescription medicine, something else you left out.

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    Gee, I wonder if numerous medical YouTube channels focused on Covid-19 after January?

    Good job, detective.

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    Find my quote where I said "proven". There's tons of anecdotal evidence. Not just for covid19, but for respiratory distress in general.
    Me too. If people don't want to take cheap vitamins to prevent death, that's their business.
    The bolded is the claim you keep making. That doesn't sound anecdotal at all to me.

    The fact it's indeed largely anecdotal is exactly what I'm pointing out. Let's say it's better than anecdotal, because there's at least one peer-reviewed study with a low sample rate that points to it being effective.

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    Of course it's different, that's why Calcifediol is a prescription medicine, something else you left out.
    Raises blood levels fast, which is why it's a prescription.

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    Gee, I wonder if numerous medical YouTube channels focused on Covid-19 after January?

    Good job, detective.
    This is probably where things are going wrong. YouTube is probably not the best place to get medical advice.

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    The bolded is the claim you keep making. That doesn't sound anecdotal at all to me.

    The fact it's indeed largely anecdotal is exactly what I'm pointing out. Let's say it's better than anecdotal, because there's at least one peer-reviewed study with a low sample rate that points to it being effective.

    Ok. Wait for your vaccine then.


    I was offering reasonable, cheap advice.


    You don't want it? Zero s given.


    I'm 100% not taking the vaccine.

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    He treats covid-19 patients. Do you?
    No.

    But I can read other doctors who do and the NIH research and links to other research.


    Can you?

    Or are you going to WATCH YouTube videos from one doc attention who fulfills your biases?

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    Raises blood levels fast, which is why it's a prescription.
    Calcifediol is NOT Vitamind D, it's a Vitamin D3 analog. It's actually a prehormone, what your body produces once the liver processed regular Vitamin D3.

    It has side effects that regular Vitamin D3 doesn't have, as already explained, thus why it's a prescription medicine.

    You actually CAN overdose on Calcifediol (which include hypercalcemia, renal and cardiac failure on severe overdoses), something you can't do on Vitamin D3.

    This is why it's important to be informed about these things.

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    No.

    But I can read other doctors who do and the NIH research and links to other research.


    Can you?

    Or are you going to WATCH YouTube videos from one doc attention who fulfills your biases?

    The medcram YouTube channel is excellent, IMO.

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    Ok. Wait for your vaccine then.

    I was offering reasonable, cheap advice.

    You don't want it? Zero s given.

    I'm 100% not taking the vaccine.
    This isn't about your feels Darrin. It's clear you're willing to accept pseudo-science, that's certainly your problem.

    Other readers here don't have to get partial information. They should get the full picture and make their own decisions.

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    Gee, I wonder if numerous medical YouTube channels focused on Covid-19 after January?

    Good job, detective.
    When he had a huge number of videos for medical students rarely watched?
    Are you fckn kidding. So because he treats patients AND has you tubes that abandoned what he had done for years...
    Yeah I’ll buy that bridge, he’s the only doc that treats Covid. And he does Zero research.

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    Calcifediol is NOT Vitamind D, it's a Vitamin D3 analog. It's actually a prehormone, what your body produces once the liver processed regular Vitamin D3.

    It has side effects that regular Vitamin D3 doesn't have, as already explained, thus why it's a prescription medicine.

    You actually CAN overdose on Calcifediol (which include hypercalcemia, renal and cardiac failure on severe overdoses), something you can't do on Vitamin D3.

    This is why it's important to be informed about these things.

    We get it. That's why it's not over the counter. Thanks.

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    The medcram YouTube channel is excellent, IMO.
    So you were cramming for Med school exams?

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    We get it. That's why it's not over the counter. Thanks.
    You just claimed it was the same thing. That was wrong. You're welcome.

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    When he had a huge number of videos for medical students rarely watched?
    Are you fckn kidding. So because he treats patients AND has you tubes that abandoned what he had done for years...
    Yeah I’ll buy that bridge, he’s the only doc that treats Covid. And he does Zero research.
    You seem angry. Watch some of their videos. They aren't political.

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