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    Trump can lose the popular vote much worse than he did to Killary and still eek out a 270 to 268 electoral college win. Which is what I think is going to happen, if he does win.
    this is true


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    I can’t really imagine there is any real undecided vote, at this point.

    people know what Trump is. It’s a referendum on whether it’s more important to heal, or own the libs.
    The polls say there are undecided voters, just a lot less than last time around (which wasn't really a symptom of people not knowing Trump but a symptom of voters being undecided because they hated Trump and Clinton).

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    Gotta love how incompetent the Democratic Party is. After losing to Trump 4 years ago because of how much better the GOP is at centralized data collection and making sure both the campaigns and independent PACs are targeting the right voters, the Democratic Party is now FINALLY launching its own centralized data warehouse only 2 ing months before the election

    If they had this for the 2018 midterms instead of spending 2 years complaining about how the Republicans shouldn't be allowed to centralize data collection, they probably win both statewide races in Florida as well as the gubernatorial race in Georgia. Beto might have even been able to win Texas if voter registration efforts were more targeted.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/06/u...Democrats.html

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    Gotta love how incompetent the Democratic Party is. After losing to Trump 4 years ago because of how much better the GOP is at centralized data collection and making sure both the campaigns and independent PACs are targeting the right voters, the Democratic Party is now FINALLY launching its own centralized data warehouse only 2 ing months before the election

    If they had this for the 2018 midterms instead of spending 2 years complaining about how the Republicans shouldn't be allowed to centralize data collection, they probably win both statewide races in Florida as well as the gubernatorial race in Georgia. Beto might have even been able to win Texas if voter registration efforts were more targeted.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/06/u...Democrats.html
    Better late than never.

    Way I read this, there is a fine line between this being legal and then not. Are we forgetting the Republican got caught using the Cambridge Analityca firm to illegally do voter outreach?

    Also I think the Democratic Party is a lot more...should I say stubbornly independent in that they have lots of factions, progressive wing vs moderates vs the inbetweens. Republicans are definitely more tribalistic.

    That piece of Perez did something good for a change.

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    Better late than never.

    Way I read this, there is a fine line between this being legal and then not. Are we forgetting the Republican got caught using the Cambridge Analityca firm to illegally do voter outreach?

    Also I think the Democratic Party is a lot more...should I say stubbornly independent in that they have lots of factions, progressive wing vs moderates vs the inbetweens. Republicans are definitely more tribalistic.

    That piece of Perez did something good for a change.
    FEC has already said its legal. The Democrats wasted valuable time complaining to the FEC about Republicans doing it instead of developing their own centralized data warehouse. Complaining about the GOP stretching the rules and/or using dirty tricks has never worked, it’s time to skip that step and go straight to the part where Democrats do the same thing.

    I don’t think this is a progressive vs moderate issue. This is an issue of Democrats thinking since they view themselves the “good guys” they don’t need to look for every edge the way Republicans do because they can just win on the ideas. One big hurdle here was state Democratic Parties not wanting to give up their voter registration data for purely stubborn reasons, and it took months to get them to hand over data. Just petty infighting that stems from a lack of competent leadership. Perez should have called any state Democratic Party that was being difficult and said we’re going to cut you off and starve you of any funding if you don’t go along with this.

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    My coworker, immigrant Asian female asked me yesterday if I think Trump will win. I told her a couple months ago I didn't think so but it is 50/50 now. I didn't put her on the spot but the way she formulated questions it seems she prefers Trump

    In 2020 my circle of friends experienced two examples of social pressure, both in March. First being my friends housewife was pressured to support BLM on Facebook. She ended up taking it down. Another friend is still single living by the beach so he dates girls in their early-mid 20s and he said these types would also voice pressure for supporting BLM.

    So both examples involved white American women. These are the biggest victims of social and media pressure.

    but you’re in Poland, remember?

    there would not be any consequences for them there.

    edit: imagine how big of a coward and piece of you must be, if “hey don’t be a racist piece of ,” is considered pressure.

    it’s almost like you’re a liar. Shocking

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    FEC has already said its legal. The Democrats wasted valuable time complaining to the FEC about Republicans doing it instead of developing their own centralized data warehouse. Complaining about the GOP stretching the rules and/or using dirty tricks has never worked, it’s time to skip that step and go straight to the part where Democrats do the same thing.

    I don’t think this is a progressive vs moderate issue. This is an issue of Democrats thinking since they view themselves the “good guys” they don’t need to look for every edge the way Republicans do because they can just win on the ideas. One big hurdle here was state Democratic Parties not wanting to give up their voter registration data for purely stubborn reasons, and it took months to get them to hand over data. Just petty infighting that stems from a lack of competent leadership. Perez should have called any state Democratic Party that was being difficult and said we’re going to cut you off and starve you of any funding if you don’t go along with this.

    it’s almost like the dem party is not one genous sect that is in lock step with what they’re told to think.

    it’s almost like people who historically have never consistently participated have less of a voice than the people who are there every election.

    crazy

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    it’s almost like the dem party is not one genous sect that is in lock step with what they’re told to think.

    it’s almost like people who historically have never consistently participated have less of a voice than the people who are there every election.

    crazy
    Not sure what any of this has to do with the DNC being too incompetent to collect and analyze data as well as the GOP does.

    Seems more like you're trying to shoehorn more condescending fortune cookie wisdom about voter participation into a topic that has nothing to do with it.

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    Not sure what any of this has to do with the DNC being too incompetent to collect and analyze data as well as the GOP does.

    Seems more like you're trying to shoehorn more condescending fortune cookie wisdom about voter participation into a topic that has nothing to do with it.
    They got complacent after Obama's ground game beat the out of the GOP. They thought that kind of strategy could get anybody elected, and they were wrong.

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    They got complacent after Obama's ground game beat the out of the GOP. They thought that kind of strategy could get anybody elected, and they were wrong.
    Agreed, but not sure how that relates to the Democratic Party not being genous or the fortune cookie wisdom about how people who vote regularly are well represented. Pretty sure the Democrats who vote consistently want the Democratic Party to not be complacent and to constantly be looking for ways to find new votes, regardless of race/policy/etc.

    Having good data is especially important in smaller states/races. The senate race in Montana is probably going to come down to <25k votes and could be the difference between a tie-breaker majority or a 51 vote majority, having data that allows left leaning PACs and Bullock's campaign call the right voters is a big factor in that election. It even helps give Jaimie Harrison a fighting chance in South Carolina where he only wins if he turns out a record amount of black votes.

    Hopefully 60 days is enough time for people to get trained on it and start using the data effectively, but there's no doubt that not having this 2018 midterms probably lost key statewide races in Florida and Georgia. Having a Democratic governor in Florida and Georgia would have been huge for 2020 redistricting.

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    They got complacent after Obama's ground game beat the out of the GOP. They thought that kind of strategy could get anybody elected, and they were wrong.
    Umm you sure?

    If that were true then how come they got waxed from 2012-2014. Dems lost over 1000 seats from that time period alone.

    Democrats are just not good at fighting hard. I’ll take what Will said and apply it loosely. Democrats run on a core idea which often is the right one and morally sound one and they think they can just let that do the talking.

    Hope and change works but you kind of have to follow up on it.

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    Umm you sure?

    If that were true then how come they got waxed from 2012-2014. Dems lost over 1000 seats from that time period alone.

    Democrats are just not good at fighting hard. I’ll take what Will said and apply it loosely. Democrats run on a core idea which often is the right one and morally sound one and they think they can just let that do the talking.

    Hope and change works but you kind of have to follow up on it.
    Federal and Congressional elections are completely different animals. I don't know why people think they're the same.

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    Sorry that should read Presidential vs Congressional elections.

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    Not sure what any of this has to do with the DNC being too incompetent to collect and analyze data as well as the GOP does.

    Seems more like you're trying to shoehorn more condescending fortune cookie wisdom about voter participation into a topic that has nothing to do with it.
    no, I’m stating that the the dem party is not a one size fits all party, like todays party of trump. And so there are factions. The r’s are good little soldiers that do exactly what they are told.

    They can no longer win on ideas, and haven’t been able to for a long long time. It’s all suppression, and fear.

    As Nono said, Obama’s people were brilliant with their mobilization efforts. Bill Clinton was the master at framing debates. The rest of the party not so much. They are still working under the idea that people are rational and capable of discerning truth from rw talking points.

    but it all goes back to the same basic tenant, you have to win elections. Period. Fractures and loud protestations about not being catered to, are not moving the ball towards that ultimate goal.

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    Dang man, even more good news. thanks!

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    People having sense tried to rein these idiots in with All Lives Matter. Democrats weren't having it though.


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    People having sense tried to rein these idiots in with All Lives Matter. Democrats weren't having it though.

    Biden is dominating the polling on whos better on law &order


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    Republicans losing on law & order

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    Trump's Kenosha camera shop lie is a symbol of how far he'll go to deceive us

    Donald Trump can’t even visit a burned-down business without lying about it.

    When the owner of Rode’s Camera Shop refused to be part of Trump’s tour of Kenosha, Wisconsin,

    Trump didn’t take the business off the tour.

    He
    just went ahead with an alternative “owner.”

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/9/2/1974368/-Trump-brings-in-a-stunt-double-after-Kenosha-business-owner-refuses-to-appear-with-him

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    Trump Gets Nothing Out Of Kenosha Trip

    As Biden Leads Wisconsin By 6



    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/9/2/1974368/-Trump-brings-in-a-stunt-double-after-Kenosha-business-owner-refuses-to-appear-with-him

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    Biden is dominating the polling on whos better on law &order

    No

    But if you have a fake poll, I could use the

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    Biden up 8 points in a Wisconsin Rasmussen poll

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    ST Trump supporters praying for moar violence need to get out there and boogaloo some themselves soon. Best bet is to do it in Kamala's name and claim she's the secret love child of Bill Ayres and Angela Davis. Your race war's not gonna start itself.

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