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Would love to see the same posters try and argue the same self defense claim of a man who pulled a gun on a woman after she slapped him and then shot her dead when she deployed mace upon seeing his gun pointed at her. You guys are a ing joke
(1) Except as provided in subsections (2) and (3) of this section, a person is justified in using physical force upon another person in order to defend himself or a third person from what he reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful physical force by that other person, and he may use a degree of force which he reasonably believes to be necessary for that purpose.murder 1 would be a very hard sell tbh
a society with 2A and open carry means that the mere act of the guy drawing his gun, as long as he didnt brandish it it, isn't likely to be held against him. he didnt discharge until he was sprayed with mace.
bubba assaults shooter
shooter reaches for a weapon to protect himself from further assault
bubba reacts to that by continuing his assault (via mace)
shooter only then discharges to prevent further assault
hard sell for a murder charge imho
(2) Deadly physical force may be used only if a person reasonably believes a lesser degree of force is inadequate and:
(a) The actor has reasonable ground to believe, and does believe, that he or another person is in imminent danger of being killed or of receiving great bodily injury;
Would love to see the same posters try and argue the same self defense claim of a man who pulled a gun on a woman after she slapped him and then shot her dead when she deployed mace upon seeing his gun pointed at her. You guys are a ing joke
i hear you. but it seems reasonable to believe that the person who just assaulted you and is now using mace to disorient you would take advantage of your defenseless state to cause great bodily injury
NPCs don't have to think these things out.Would love to see the same posters try and argue the same self defense claim of a man who pulled a gun on a woman after she slapped him and then shot her dead when she deployed mace upon seeing his gun pointed at her. You guys are a ing joke
im the same guy who said rittenhouse shouldnt be found guilty of murder, so im not ideologically fueled.Would love to see the same posters try and argue the same self defense claim of a man who pulled a gun on a woman after she slapped him and then shot her dead when she deployed mace upon seeing his gun pointed at her. You guys are a ing joke
as to your scenario, it would depend if the cir stances could lead to a reasonable belief that the woman was about to cause great bodily injury
of course not. but what's "deserved" is not relevant unless you're in court. people get killed in self defense all the time, even if the assault/burglary being defended from would not bring with it a death penalty through the justice system
a woman would be justified in using lethal force to defend herself from rape even if the rape itself isnt punishable by death
Comment wasn’t about you. I’ve seen you look at each situation fairly.
This isn't about your feelings, tbh... we're all guessing here, we'll see what the jury finds, and we'll see what the prosecutors think they can get away with.Would love to see the same posters try and argue the same self defense claim of a man who pulled a gun on a woman after she slapped him and then shot her dead when she deployed mace upon seeing his gun pointed at her. You guys are a ing joke
You think bear spraying a guy isn't escalation and you want to talk jokes.Would love to see the same posters try and argue the same self defense claim of a man who pulled a gun on a woman after she slapped him and then shot her dead when she deployed mace upon seeing his gun pointed at her. You guys are a ing joke
In this scenario the woman backed away after the slap and didn’t deploy mace until the gun was pointed at her. At that point the only person with a reasonable belief of great bodily injury is the woman with the gun pointed at her.
If a woman laps derp and then pulls a can of bear mace, and derp is a security guard protecting other people, I'll have little issue if he gunned her down.
Like sr21, it all depends on the situation.
She made the wrong choice. She should've put her hands up, police was just a few steps away.
Not pulls a can, shoots a can of bear spray.
Bear spray came after shooter escalated and drew his weapon. You can’t argue the sequence of events it was all caught on camera. Both people involved were dip s but how big of a pussy do you have to be to draw and point a gun at someone after they slapped you and backed off.
You still wanted to level some heavy charges on him IIRC.
true. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes...
Don't get it mixed up. The escalation came with the slap. After that, it's all self-defense.
Bear spray isn’t a lethal weapon.
Yup. Committed murder. Won himself a court date.
And that's just the starter prize.
So? Assault doesn't require a lethal weapon.
Again, I know it's convenient for you to pretend nothing happened until the guy pulled the gun, but that's not what happened here.
yeah... whatever firearm charges if appropriate, i dont know the specific state law or facts on how he got that gun in that state
and i thought attempted murder for the last person he shot, because that person wasn't reasonably a threat imo (as evidenced by the fact that rittenhouse actually had his gun trained on him, and paused for a couple of seconds, so it wasnt a bang-bang situation where i might have more sympathy)
i didnt think the two murder charges would stick
She feared for her life. And simple assault doesn’t justify murder.
Sounds a lot better than chewing a bullet. Ask Chubby how's he doing.
That's not what the colorado law you posted says. Sorry.
There was more than one escalation. You can't realistically argue assaulting someone with bear spray isn't escalation.
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