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i was gonna suggest it could end up being murray and la for looney and #2...
warriors like looney though. maybe it would be he or eric paschall...
#2 would cost them $40M in year one, with tax. The end.
i was gonna suggest it could end up being murray and la for looney and #2...
warriors like looney though. maybe it would be he or eric paschall...
La and murray for Wiggins #2 and looney would work.... GS would have to be willing to pay some real tax penalty though...
That #2 pick could also make them contenders for another 10+ years if they hit on it, the end. I hope your right tho
I legit could see LMA and 11 for Horford and 21 with the idea that Al is similar player locked into a "better" contract. I 100-percent-seriously could.
I hope their active on the trade market with Murray. Holiday, Paul and Westbrook are all supposedly on the move. There will be teams that try to get one of those PGs and end up failing and might think DJM is a good alternative. I could also see SA's interest in a trade being a move where they trade Murray, Gay/Mills, Walker and 11 for Jrue and see them try to run Holiday, White, DeRozan, Lyles, Aldridge for a final shot.
If they do 11 and Aldridge for 21 and Horford RC is officially smoking crack. You don't trade a better player and pick for an inferior. No way in . Holiday and White would be a dope combo, but givin NOLA Murray, Gay, Walker and 11 for him means we are getting robbed.
I can't see the Horford trade myself... I could see the Holiday one though...
Remember, Brian Wright is calling the shots now when it comes to trades. As far as Holiday goes, I'd want to keep 11 in the deal, and for an expiring contract, I think that's fair. I'd swap with NOP maybe or add a future first if it meant keeping Lonnie. Trading Aldridge for a defensive PF and bringing up Poeltl would go a long way toward fixing the defense.
Why would Spurs drop 10 draft spots for a bigger contract?
That deal is basically salary neutral if LMA declines his kicker. Murray makes like $15 Million next year. LMA instead of Wiggins saves $4 Million. Not having the second pick saves another $9 Million. Looney makes $5 Million. So GS would only take on like $3 Million if they took back 11 in the deal. If the Spurs kept it, GS would actually save money over what they're currently slated to spend.
Because they're not the best when it comes to valuing players. They could easily see Horford's deal as being fine and want the certainty it provides over the chances of LMA walking. It's sort of like how people think Myles Turner is worth a ton even though he's arguably not better than Aldridge and is paid a lot for a not-special center.
I think Murray + filler might interest NOLA. Spurs young players are usually overrated and he'd fit their timeline better than Jrue who's a vet. It just depends on what you have to give up. Horford only makes sense if you move Aldridge elsewhere. Say if you trade LA + 11 for Wiggins + 2, you could try to trade for Horford. I think they would move him for Gay and Mills. They need shooters and role players.
All in all I would love for the Spurs to make 2-3 trades. They could become a playoff team with the right moves
I'm glad you're here to breakdown numbers like that.... that's good stuff.... it really comes down to how much they value Murray then... personally, I think its a great spot of his skill set and he wouldn't be hindered by thinking he's more than he is playing next to Curry.
I cant see Buford doing that on his most drunkest day of the year, tbh.
IM really starting to think some people want to make a trade just to make a trade. Does not matter if it clearly is a bad trade for us as long as we can say we made a trade.
As long as Forbes gets max I think spurs have done there due diligence
If anyone trades for Horford, especially giving them a better player, will be compensated with multiple picks.
Trade 2 young guards and number 11 for a guard who has only had 3 good seasons in the nba, and is on a one year deal, and is going to deman near max money next year ?
The knicks wouldn't even do this trade
Jesus, you must think even less of this FO than I do. And I think they're garbage outside of drafting tbh.
-I'm pretty sure that they can. Gay isn't exceptional but he's a better fit for them than Aldridge. They could use a versatile off-the-bench scorer. If they include Looney in a trade, then it would limit their financial hit while giving them a front court upgrade.
-Again, I haven't seen any reports of teams turning GSW down. Just yesterday a report came out about the Knicks, Bulls and Pistons wanting to trade up to number 2. Add in Boston and Philly and that's 5 other teams trying to move up into the top 6.
That creates a bidding war, which is good for GSW. The Spurs are clearly looking to move up because they've identified a player that they really like. They would have to give up number 11 and likely either Aldridge or DeRozan, otherwise, what would they be willing to offer to try and move up into the top 3?
Agreed. At least two firsts, I would think. Certainly wouldn't be the best deal for Aldridge though.
Maybe Aldridge for Horford and their 2020 21st pick (Philly would select on behalf of the Spurs before the trade is official) and then their 2021 first (or their 2021 and 2023 first round picks).
Horford is technically only under contract for two more seasons. His third year is partially guaranteed for $14.5 million which could be waived and stretched over three years.
Man, this short off season has been dramatic-- I can't wait to see what happens in the next week. One thing I'm thinking about is that Golden State had 67 and 73 win seasons with Harrison Barnes as a starter. Of course, they don't have a prime Iguodala to play the Manu role anymore, but I can still see them running with Wiggins, and building up his image around the league as a player on a winning team, then deciding whether or not to keep or trade him during the season. The Houston small ball experiment worked reasonably well this year, and Steph & Klay are significantly better shooters than Harden, Gordon, Westbrook, Covington, etc... I think one thing people often forget is that Harden has never been an elite 3 pt shooter-- he's a high volume average 3 pt shooter. Harden has never hit the 40% mark for a season, while both Steph & Klay have never shot below 40% for a full season. The small ball formula actually suits Golden State better than it did Houston. Maybe they take Wiseman, swallow the huge payroll for one (or part of one) year, and then deal with it next season, when covid is hopefully contained and their new arena can be packed and generating money again.
Last edited by R. DeMurre; 11-12-2020 at 11:28 AM.
Well stated, there’s gonna be tons of movement around the draft but unless the warriors get a deal that blows them away I think there’s no way they trade the #2 pick
They have only one chip to play to get rid of Wiggins, #2. The league knows what he is, and that isn’t going to change. If they pick at #2, and go into the season with Wiggins, the other 29 teams would be fine sticking GS with that contract.
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