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That's what I was thinking. Derozan's choking along with his terrible 3 point shooting could sink the Lakers.
It's hard to see Kuz here... there are so many trades rumored that maybe we'd re-route him somewhere else for an asset from a team that values him?
I'm looking at you NY
That's what I was thinking. Derozan's choking along with his terrible 3 point shooting could sink the Lakers.
Well, if Green comes back it's as a bench player, not a starter, and that likely means no Forbes-- that's a big plus defensively for the team, and there's only one year left on Green's contract. Kuzma's not a difference maker but he is inexpensive and also only has one year left on contract. Salary numbers don't add up, but a variation of this trade makes sense for preserving 2021 FA money. The Laker #28 pick (likely to be included?) could be someone like Paul Reed.
Last year there was a Kuzma for Bjelica + pick offer that the Lakers rejected. If the Spurs revisited that and walked away from this with Green, Bjelica, and Paul Reed + future pick, I'd be 100% in favor.
Last edited by R. DeMurre; 11-12-2020 at 05:24 PM.
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Add a first round pick and I'd do it, tbh.
. Well, just have to hope a better offer comes up the Spurs' way, or the deal falls off for other reasons. Worst trade idea I've heard this week.
Spurs don’t have leverage. They could have moved ddr last year but didn’t. Now he controls things. Instead of him walking in FA he gets a team he wants and Sa gets Kuz + Danny they can probably flip for another pick or two
It's not a bad trade considering DeRozan can walk for free, but obviously we should hope for better returns than kuz.
I feel like kuz should know by now that LA is LeBron's team and LeBron will choose his players. The playboy days for Kuz was prior to this, so it's possible he's seen the light. He's seen all his old teammates leave already. He should know it's not his team anymore.
I'd rather have DDR walk out for free, than getting that package. For multiple reasons, but the first and foremost one being FTL. Not to mention it'd paint the Spurs in a ridiculous light to take the Lakers' trash in exchange for DDR after they refused to deal with LA the first time around to trade Kawhi.
Hmmm... wonder if Pop would allow this trade scenario to be pulled off, especially due to the rivalry, as well as the bad taste Gasol trade back in the day & the #2 mess. If it does, it is a win-win for the Lakers getting another all-star in DDR. And DDR doesn't have to take on the burden of trying to carry the team to a championship (can't do it anyways). He should thrive well with LBJ & The Brow leading this team, while he can be a primary role player. My only question would be is what about DDR's lack of 3 point shooting weakness, but that would be their problem, of coarse. And for DDR, he will be playing for the home team, a team I'm sure he grew up cheering for & fantasizing to play for as well. For the Spurs, we get our son in The LDN back, who is a fan favorite (Pop's & the fans' favorite punching bag that is!), & his heart is still in SA! Er for The Kuz… he may be the odd man out especially since he has drunk the "LA Limelight Kool-Aid," so going to SA & playing for Pop & the Spurs may have him develop depression 10x that of DDR, to the point that he may be on suicide watch.... sorry, but I just don't think I can see Kuzma wanting to come to SA, is the bottom line. He doesn't have a choice in the matter, but perhaps this trade would put a chip on his shoulder & he will play with it! Well, it's another one of those, "I have my popcorn moments..."
This. Y'all are saying DeMar is more valuable, but the Spurs have no leverage.
Think of it this way, would you trade DeMar for a top 10 pick in this draft? Absolutely. Would other teams trade that top 10 pick for DeMar? Likely not... Now, would you trade DeMar for a pick in the 10-20 range? I would, considering he could walk and I never liked his fit with us anyway. Teams in that range would deal their pick for DeMar. The next question is, is Kyle's trade value in the top 10 or the 10-20 range? Pretty sure it's in the 10-20 range too. Kyle and DeMar have the same value in the trade market.
I think the Spurs would rather see the Lakers win a championship vs Kawhi ever winning one.
Think of it from a tactical standpoint.
Yes, they may be helping the Lakers win in the short term, the long term though? LeBron is almost done in this league...
This move would just prevent Kawhi from ever winning a championship, and I'm all for it.
Only so many teams have the cap space to sign him to a contract that he's worth. If he wants to go back to Cali, he'd have to opt-in in order to get there and not make peanuts.
I don't really think the Spurs base their personnel decisions on what Kawhi is up to, tbh. In any case, I'd like to think their long-term rivalry with the Lakers would mean more than a short-term disgruntlement from Kawhi, which technically was already "paid" when we shipped his ass to Toronto (which worked out like for us, I'd like to avoid making that mistake again). IF the Lakers are the only trade partner, I guess I'd do it, but would actually prefer DD walking for nothing, then having to see LA gut their roster in order to sign him more, tbh.
Additionally, and considering the Clippers' roster and struggles, I don't really think Kawhi needs more help in order to not win any more rings. He can choke it out along with his pals George and possibly CP3
There's no reason to do right by DeRozan. This is the NBA. If he wants to cry about it in a jack in the box parking lot so be it
I don't want Kuz but, if we got a pick from LA and could re-route him for a future 1st I'd be in favor of it.
Trash trade. No way, no how do I want Green coming back here.
But the cir stances are very different this time around. Green & Kuzma both expire after one year, freeing up cap space. If a pick is included, the Spurs could find a sleeper like Paul Reed at #28. Adding Green means he's a bench shooter, which means not having to re-sign Forbes. Kuzma could be used in another deal. Losing both DeRozan & Forbes means a huge leap forward for the team defensively.
Does DeMar really fit LA's current iden y? Reticent to take 3s, Defense is suspect - most of the time would be playing off the ball...
Unless some picks and a 3rd team are involved, it's hard to see the connection - apart from DeMar's LA roots.
It's addition by subtraction. It's not about who the Spurs get it's about getting rid of a player no longer in the plans. Kuzma would probably be flipped for a draft pick or expiring salary.
The Lakers had almost not won a championship if Rondo didn't come back. That's the type of role that would be there for DeMar. To be a quarterback for the team. The Lakers need assurance from the guard spot.
Kuzma is who the Spurs wanted instead of Derrick White in the '17 draft...
Lol. This offer is disrespectful and arrogant. The lakers are so used to being on receiving end of lopsided deals. LMA- an all star big that is now shooting threes for some scrap bench players??
It works financially.
I despise empty calories players like Wiggins, Kuzma, etc., but people need to realize, if/when they trade Aldridge/DeRozan, they're going to want someone at least somewhat proven at creating their own offense, even if it's in inefficient fashion.
If DeRozan is determined to end up with a contender, especially at home, I'd imagine he's come to terms with at least reverting to his 3-point volume from his final Raptors season.
That was just one of many reasons. Obviously the wouldn't make a trade they otherwise wouldn't want to solely for that reason.
Last edited by TD 21; 11-12-2020 at 06:04 PM.
The Rondo role is what I initially envisioned,
but Rondo started taking 3s, w/o hesitation from the wing (he averaged 3.1 attempts per game, shooting 40% in the playoffs), and that's not even talking about the defensive side of the ball...
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