Lowe: Someone in league texted me and said there's a little bit of buzz about 2 for 11 + Aldridge

[Chinook]

Again, GS doesn't have leverage over SA unless SA wants Wiseman, Edwards or Ball. If they want Toppin, Avdija, Okongwu or Haliburton, then they have teams like ATL and DET who seem much more willing to just take a contract and not ask SA to eat terrible money. For that same reason, a lot of teams aren't going to be willing to meet GS demands, which causes the market around 2 to fall, leading to GS either taking a lesser deal or just keeping their pick. For a lot of teams, the Warriors taking the ball and going home isn't some doomsday scenario though.

[cd021]

No chance 3 would be involved in a Westbrook trade. My sense would be Rozier/1 of Batum, Zeller or Monk for Westbrook/possibly House.

I seriously doubt the Rockets would do a deal without the number 3 pick.

[TD 21]

Again, GS doesn't have leverage over SA unless SA wants Wiseman, Edwards or Ball. If they want Toppin, Avdija, Okongwu or Haliburton, then they have teams like ATL and DET who seem much more willing to just take a contract and not ask SA to eat terrible money. For that same reason, a lot of teams aren't going to be willing to meet GS demands, which causes the market around 2 to fall, leading to GS either taking a lesser deal or just keeping their pick. For a lot of teams, the Warriors taking the ball and going home isn't some doomsday scenario though.

If they wanted someone from the second tier, they wouldn't go through the trouble of trying to trade up to the first tier, where they'd have to take on an albatross.

By the way, Kuzma is more like a poor man's version of prime Gay or Harris.

I seriously doubt the Rockets would do a deal without the number 3 pick.

Bridges might be the inflection point.

If the Rockets decide to placate Westbrook, good luck doing better than what I mentioned (as unappealing as that sounds).

[Seventyniner]

Again, GS doesn't have leverage over SA unless SA wants Wiseman, Edwards or Ball. If they want Toppin, Avdija, Okongwu or Haliburton, then they have teams like ATL and DET who seem much more willing to just take a contract and not ask SA to eat terrible money. For that same reason, a lot of teams aren't going to be willing to meet GS demands, which causes the market around 2 to fall, leading to GS either taking a lesser deal or just keeping their pick. For a lot of teams, the Warriors taking the ball and going home isn't some doomsday scenario though.

What is your personal threshold for accepting a deal with GS centered around LMA for Wiggins? Is LMA for Wiggins + #2 + MIN 2021 1st even good enough for you? It would be for me, but I haven't put as much thought into it as you have.

That might sound like too much for GS to give up, but if they are the motivated party, both because LMA helps them win now and dumping Wiggins greatly reduces future tax payments, they might be willing to pony up. Especially if they don't get palatable offers from other teams.

[daslicer]

Aldridge is being vastly underrated by the world at large, and Golden State would be lucky to get him for #2 and Wiggins.

He's been an effective scorer in the Spurs offense.

Imagine how much better looks he'll get when it's Curry and Thompson bending defenses with their gravity instead of Murray and Forbes? How much easier will he have things when Draymond is at PF instead of Lyles?

He'll never face a double when he does get posted. He'll be open on his mid range and threes. He still rebounds and protects the rim. And in the GS system when he works hard and gets advantage position early, he'll be rewarded instead of waiting for Murray to develop into a point guard.

I'm reminded of when nobody, fans and teams included, wanted to give up anything for Kawhi, only a top 3 player in the league. Because they talked themselves into nonsense, either Kawhi couldn't play anymore instead of being a quitter, or being a system player, whatever.

If Golden State gets him, everyone will be singing a different tune when GS is wrecking the league. "I can't believe they were able to get Aldridge, the rich get richer, this is bull !"

I call it the Pop factor why Aldridge is underrated. It's the same reason why Duncan's legacy and Kawhi was underrated. A lot of these casual dumbasses think the Spurs only win because of Pop's "great coaching" and that you could insert any player in the system and it will still work. They don't understand how bad the Spurs have been the last few years and how Aldridge literally carried the team from '17-'19 and how without him carrying the team they would have been a lottery squad.

If Aldridge goes to the Warriors I think he will finally get the respect he deserves in which people will then see how great of a player he is. Even though he won't be the best player on the Warriors it will still cause casuals to remark how good he is since he will make the Warriors invincible. You will see Lebron stans scream "If it wasn't for the Aldridge trade Lebron would have 6 rings." I'm convinced Warriors will go back to back with Aldridge.

[RC_Drunkford]

I call it the Pop factor why Aldridge is underrated. It's the same reason why Duncan's legacy and Kawhi was underrated. A lot of these casual dumbasses think the Spurs only win because Pop's "great coaching" and that you could insert any player in the system and it will still work. They don't understand how bad the Spurs have been the last few years and how Aldridge literally carried the team from '17-'19 and ow without him carrying the team they would have been a lottery squad.

If Aldridge goes to the Warriors I think he will finally get the respect he deserves in which people will then see how great of player he is. Even though he won't be the best player on the Warriors it will still cause casuals to remark how good he is since he will make the Warriors in invincible. You will see Lebron stans scream "If it wasn't for the Aldridge trade Lebron would have 6 rings." I'm convinced Warriors will go back to back with Aldridge.

Aldridge would be a monster on the Dubs

[daslicer]

And if we get Wiseman, who could be the next Spurs cornerstone? "I can't believe they were able to find another legend! Why can't the Spurs go away? They had their 20 years of success already? Why do they get another 20?"

It could work both ways in the sense the Warriors win 2-3 more championships with Aldridge and the spurs develop Wiseman into an eventual superstar. I could see a scenario where people will say "Wow this is great trade that worked out equally for both teams involved. The Warriors got to win a few more les and extend their dynasty while the Spurs got their next superstar post Kawhi"

[daslicer]

Aldridge would be a monster on the Dubs

I think he would give them a championship reboot like Rodman did for the bulls during the second three peat.

[Chinook]

What is your personal threshold for accepting a deal with GS centered around LMA for Wiggins? Is LMA for Wiggins + #2 + MIN 2021 1st even good enough for you? It would be for me, but I haven't put as much thought into it as you have.

That might sound like too much for GS to give up, but if they are the motivated party, both because LMA helps them win now and dumping Wiggins greatly reduces future tax payments, they might be willing to pony up. Especially if they don't get palatable offers from other teams.

I think for the right player, Wiggins and 2 for LMA and 11 makes enough sense to do. I'd probably be okay with adding in the Minny pick for just a meh player if they had a way to get off some of DeRozan's money. I actually like the bigger Wiggins and Green for Aldridge and DeRozan framework for them, though I'd probably need 2 and the Minny pick and to find a taker for Mills/Gay that saved the Spurs considerable money. I think it puts the Warriors in a much better short- and long-term position and it gets the Spurs a long-term need at the four. However, as I said, I'd like to see Green moved while he still has value to help the team avoid the tax long term. Only issue is that if Green has value, then GS might not want to pay enough to move him for it to make sense to SA. I'm not deal with GS unless 2 is on the table.

[Chinook]

If they wanted someone from the second tier, they wouldn't go through the trouble of trying to trade up to the first tier, where they'd have to take on an albatross.

By the way, Kuzma is more like a poor man's version of prime Gay or Harris.

That's sort of the point I'm making. There's no indication that SA wants anyone from the first tier. Of course they might, but when talking about leverage, GS actually has to have something SA wants, not just something that is usually objectively valuable.

[TD 21]

That's sort of the point I'm making. There's no indication that SA wants anyone from the first tier. Of course they might, but when talking about leverage, GS actually has to have something SA wants, not just something that is usually objectively valuable.

Well obviously this would be based on the premise that they do.

[B1gduff]

some one mentioned that the spurs and 76ers are talking about a trade centered around DD and Harris. .

https://twitter.com/vinfosh/status/1326979535246675968

[Chinook]

Well obviously this would be based on the premise that they do.

But you can't lock that in that but also ignore that GS has to want to deal Wiggins and/or 2 in the first place to engage in a trade.

It's basically saying "In a scenario where the Spurs have no leverage, the Warriors have all the leverage." I think we can all agree on that, but that's not the framework we should assume based on the information we've been given so far.

[spurspl]

can spurs use lakers intrests in ddr to avoid including #11 to LMA trade?

GSW: LMA , kuz
LAL: DDR
SAS: Wiggins, green, #2, #28

[TD 21]

But you can't lock that in that but also ignore that GS has to want to deal Wiggins and/or 2 in the first place to engage in a trade.

It's basically saying "In a scenario where the Spurs have no leverage, the Warriors have all the leverage." I think we can all agree on that, but that's not the framework we should assume based on the information we've been given so far.

I'm saying, all of us discussing this ad nauseam is based on both of those premises being true.

Although, I wouldn't say "want to deal 2" so much as in an ideal world they'd make a similar trade that we're discussing but Aldridge would be late 20s/early 30s. That he's not is probably what prevents it from happening.

[EasyMoney]

some one mentioned that the spurs and 76ers are talking about a trade centered around DD and Harris. .

https://twitter.com/vinfosh/status/1326979535246675968

Like . If they wanted harris they would have traded for him during the whole kawhi debacle.

[R. DeMurre]

some one mentioned that the spurs and 76ers are talking about a trade centered around DD and Harris. .

https://twitter.com/vinfosh/status/1326979535246675968

That guy-- Vin Fosh-- has no credibility. He claims he broke the Anthony Davis trade and the Kamala Harris as VP story... and the rest of his twitter feed is almost all nonsense.

[Dhbsr555]

If spurs traded Derrick white for a bum and 2 second round picks there completely idiots .. if redrafted white is a top 10-15 pick

[gambit1990]

i'm ready.

[Prime BEEF]

i'm ready.

I like this trade

[Thomas82]

GS is looking to match up with the Lakers bigs. When you're in championship contention you're thinking about who you have to beat to win the le and what pieces you need to add to get there. LMA would be a decent counter to AD. Not sure the Warriors could do better. And even if they give up a couple of draft picks including #2 to get the deal done, with the rest of their lineup they'd probably be too much for LA. I'd pencil the Warriors in as the clear favorite to win it all if they got Aldridge.

That's why I think this rumor has teeth. Will it happen? I suppose it will depend on how much the Warriors want Aldridge. I think that drives this deal more than the Spurs wanting the #2 pick.

The more I keep hearing about this rumor, the more I believe it'll actually happen.

[Thomas82]

C: Wiseman
PF: DeRozan
SF: Walker
SG: White
PG: Murray
Sixth Man: Wiggins

I would prefer to find a way to get Jalen Smith and have him as our PF.......I'm just saying.

[99 Problems]

The window for Golden Fake is just that a fleeting window. LMA would work for them right this moment while Stef & Klay still around as they won’t be there for ever. There’s probably worse places he could finish his days tbh. Would make the west a of a battle if Clips don’t decide to s#*t the bed again thb.

[Thomas82]

It could work both ways in the sense the Warriors win 2-3 more championships with Aldridge and the spurs develop Wiseman into an eventual superstar. I could see a scenario where people will say "Wow this is great trade that worked out equally for both teams involved. The Warriors got to win a few more les and extend their dynasty while the Spurs got their next superstar post Kawhi"

This is exactly why I want the trade to happen.

[Dverde]

This deal works. Golden State and Spurs swap #2 and #11